Every other Wednesday at 7 a.m. a handful of students and other members of the public make their way to the third floor of the University Student Union to attend senate meetings for the Associated Students, Inc.
Of those handfuls of people, some address the senate during public comment. The breadth of topics during these open floor comments range from students promoting events to people expressing their concern for the manner in which the university handles certain situations.
This year, on top of a new early morning meeting time, ASI has imposed a five minute time limit for the public to address the senate.
For some, the new time limit is seen as a barrier between students and ASI, but for ASI, they see it as a necessity.
The Collegian sat down with ASI executives Jessica Sweeten, Lauren Johnson and Alex Andreotti as well as students who have addressed the ASI senate during public comment this semester.
Andreotti, ASI’s executive-vice president, said that this was the first time that the student-run government has ever set a time limit.
“After consulting with our advisor [Gary Nelson] and other members of the office we found it necessary to limit time to be fair to every member of the public,” Andreotti said. “Five minutes is actually a lengthy amount of time.”
She also added that all senate meetings must adjourn by 8:50 a.m. because some of the senate members have 9 a.m. classes.
Student Mauro Carrera feels the time limit is meant to silence student voices.
“They make it very clear and very obvious that you are limited in what you can say,” Mauro said. “I would assume that having meetings at 7 a.m., you would hardly get a student to come out and speak about their concerns. So, the limit speaks a lot about their willingness to outreach to students.”
Recent fee hikes, class cuts and furloughs have brought about a renewed interest in student government for students like Polo Ortiz, who says that he recently started attending senate meetings because ASI has not taken students’ concerns into consideration.
Sweeten, ASI’s president, said that senators listen to everyone who addresses the public and takes their suggestions into consideration.
“I appreciate anyone who will come before the senate and give their opinion,” Sweeten said. “It takes time out of students schedules to come to a student senate meeting and we’re going to take every request seriously.”
However, during the Oct. 21 senate meeting, student Tom Boroujeni was warned by ASI while he was addressing the senate to sit down or he would be removed from the meeting. The Collegian reported on Oct. 23 that the university police were contacted during the meeting in case Boroujeni needed to be escorted out.
“All I was going to ask was ‘do they want all of the bylaws to go through or just some of them?’” Boroujeni said.
Bourojeni said that he became upset when ASI members put his right to speak in front of senate up to vote.
“I have the right to ask questions and speak in front of the senate when they have a guest [speaker], but instead they put my right to speak up to vote.”
According to Boroujeni, his request to address the senate was shut down by the three executives and then later put up for a vote, with only five senate members voting in favor of him speaking.
“The tone from ASI is very defensive,” Boroujeni said. “They think we’re only [at the senate meetings] to get them out of office or to spite them. It’s not that at all.”
ASI senator Jamie San Andres says that she has noticed the type of response from senators this semester toward students who speak during public comment.
“When students approach me with these kinds of questions I feel that there is a certain amount of carelessness in addressing student concerns and adhering to the documents by which we are bound,” San Andres said.
The three ASI executives disagreed stating that their goal is to fulfill the ASI mission statement and represent the majority of students.
“If the senate does not vote in favor of what the public is saying it doesn’t meant that we aren’t listening to them or taking them seriously,” Andreotti said. “We are the elected student government, so we have a vested interest in everyone.”
Smith • Nov 9, 2009 at 10:16 am
CODY MADSEN AGAIN: your comment
“I only worry that if those businessmen, alumni, and charitable community members pull their funding, the result will be a closure of the institution, not an adjustment in policy. At this time at least, it is their money to spend as they will, and I’d rather it come into the university supporting extra curricular activities that only better the educational experience, so the university doesn’t have to, than not come in at all”
WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOUR THINKING….you got some kind of crystal ball or something to look into the future? You cannot tell the future, you do not know for sure what will happen and if the university will shut down. You dont know if people will pull thier funding and if they do , then the university doesnt need them. Let them give htier corruptable funding elsewhere. That is pure fear that someone has taught you and your so naive for beliving it. That is the problem, too many people making decisions or believin what someone tells them.
Smith • Nov 9, 2009 at 6:16 pm
CODY MADSEN AGAIN: your comment
“I only worry that if those businessmen, alumni, and charitable community members pull their funding, the result will be a closure of the institution, not an adjustment in policy. At this time at least, it is their money to spend as they will, and I’d rather it come into the university supporting extra curricular activities that only better the educational experience, so the university doesn’t have to, than not come in at all”
WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOUR THINKING….you got some kind of crystal ball or something to look into the future? You cannot tell the future, you do not know for sure what will happen and if the university will shut down. You dont know if people will pull thier funding and if they do , then the university doesnt need them. Let them give htier corruptable funding elsewhere. That is pure fear that someone has taught you and your so naive for beliving it. That is the problem, too many people making decisions or believin what someone tells them.
A Real Alumnus • Nov 8, 2009 at 7:36 am
Cody–you have some good points. However, they’re unrealistic.
Intercollegiate athletics is a money loser for 99% of these programs. The Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics just issued a study surveying the FBS schools and their presidents. An overwhelming majority of the presidents say athletic programs are UNSUSTAINABLE financially. This is true here at Fresno State. Our program is unsustainable.
As for donors, I support opening the books of the auxiliaries. I doubt many people are award Ag One lost over $1 million in an investment it made in a “peaker” power plant several years ago.
A Real Alumnus • Nov 8, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Cody–you have some good points. However, they’re unrealistic.
Intercollegiate athletics is a money loser for 99% of these programs. The Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics just issued a study surveying the FBS schools and their presidents. An overwhelming majority of the presidents say athletic programs are UNSUSTAINABLE financially. This is true here at Fresno State. Our program is unsustainable.
As for donors, I support opening the books of the auxiliaries. I doubt many people are award Ag One lost over $1 million in an investment it made in a “peaker” power plant several years ago.
Cant Compare • Nov 8, 2009 at 2:31 am
CODY MADSEN: I think in all of the history of Fresno State, the students on campus have advocated for themselves with the walkout and the Welty negotiations. Nothing will ever compare to such a victory. ASI has never and will probably never, ever in its history, ever enable students to speak and advocate on the level that i have seen happen in just these past couple of weeks organized by the students. Your perception of giving students a voice through ASI with a video to the legislature is a joke. That is the only historical presence of ASI, a joke. GO STUDENTS!
Cant Compare • Nov 8, 2009 at 10:31 am
CODY MADSEN: I think in all of the history of Fresno State, the students on campus have advocated for themselves with the walkout and the Welty negotiations. Nothing will ever compare to such a victory. ASI has never and will probably never, ever in its history, ever enable students to speak and advocate on the level that i have seen happen in just these past couple of weeks organized by the students. Your perception of giving students a voice through ASI with a video to the legislature is a joke. That is the only historical presence of ASI, a joke. GO STUDENTS!
Cody Madsen • Nov 7, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Naomi,
I apologize for misunderstanding your original post. In answer to your question, yes, I will be graduating on time (assuming the university stays open), and am hoping to also complete 2-3 minors.And I’ll be honest and say I’m able to come to the university as a result of scholarship (that I earned though my academic success and community involvement in high school), some help from my parents, and money I make each summer and during the year.
I feel you are misunderstanding me though. I am personally upset when fellow classmates in upper division classes are unable to write at even a basic collegiate level. My education is compromised when teachers have to spend 2 weeks of class going over procedure on how to write an essay. When I speak on students graduating on time, I refer to those students who I’ve met that receive complete financial aid from the government, or their parents pay for all of their expenses, and don’t work, and still only can handle 12 or less units a semester, as well as the people who fall close to that description. Some people, regardless of their origins, background, or political belief, just aren’t ready for collegiate level education. And the solution to that shouldn’t be lowering the standards.
They way I see it, it is the difference between playing soccer as a 6 year old, and soccer professionally. When you are 6, everyone plays who signs up, and should you lose or win, everyone gets a participation trophy. But when you are on a professional team, only the serious athletes perform well, and are able to sustain. You try to get the best, and keep the best. If you don’t know how to play the game, you won’t be any help to the team, and you will not be able to perform well personally.
This should be the same with college. If 4-year level institutions (I understand that life happens and people take less time and more time, Earlier I referred to the people who continue to waste their, and the states money, in an institution that doesn’t fit them. There is nothing wrong with pursuing vocational or trade schools, apprenticeships {although this model is very uncommon now}, or alternative education if they aren’t able to play this game) were able to orient themselves around students who are able to play the game, there would be a higher quality of education because it is focusing on the material, the institution would have higher merritt, and those graduates will have better opportunities in the future. I’m saying that it is unthinkable that students are unable to write, and should take time before entering the university to learn those skills (community colleges, etc.).
Your comparison to gay marriage is interesting, but EDUCATION should be the primary focus of the state. Personally, I’d rather do away with Marriage as a state institution because it is a religious institution, and religious matters should be less a concern of the state, and more a concern with the individual. Marriage is a social issue, and I’ll let the Social Policy Makers worry about the extent of separation or church and state in this matter, but that debate is out of the scope of this discourse. My concern is education, which to me is the most important institution our government handles. And like I said above, we need to do our best to make sure our legislators know that Education is not an area that should be sacrificed in these hard economic times. Vote to support Education, vote in politicians who support education, and make sure it is an education worth fighting for.
Smith,
I only worry that if those businessmen, alumni, and charitable community members pull their funding, the result will be a closure of the institution, not an adjustment in policy. At this time at least, it is their money to spend as they will, and I’d rather it come into the university supporting extra curricular activities that only better the educational experience, so the university doesn’t have to, than not come in at all.
But like I said, that is my worry. And when I’m older, I’d like to be able to donate (should I be in such a position) to things privately or publicly as I choose, because I would want to be able to give to the charities or causes I feel are important, without someone knocking on my door everyday trying to squeeze more out of me. And I’d imagine that the people giving to the university might also enjoy that privacy.
Cody Madsen • Nov 8, 2009 at 12:51 am
Naomi,
I apologize for misunderstanding your original post. In answer to your question, yes, I will be graduating on time (assuming the university stays open), and am hoping to also complete 2-3 minors.And I’ll be honest and say I’m able to come to the university as a result of scholarship (that I earned though my academic success and community involvement in high school), some help from my parents, and money I make each summer and during the year.
I feel you are misunderstanding me though. I am personally upset when fellow classmates in upper division classes are unable to write at even a basic collegiate level. My education is compromised when teachers have to spend 2 weeks of class going over procedure on how to write an essay. When I speak on students graduating on time, I refer to those students who I’ve met that receive complete financial aid from the government, or their parents pay for all of their expenses, and don’t work, and still only can handle 12 or less units a semester, as well as the people who fall close to that description. Some people, regardless of their origins, background, or political belief, just aren’t ready for collegiate level education. And the solution to that shouldn’t be lowering the standards.
They way I see it, it is the difference between playing soccer as a 6 year old, and soccer professionally. When you are 6, everyone plays who signs up, and should you lose or win, everyone gets a participation trophy. But when you are on a professional team, only the serious athletes perform well, and are able to sustain. You try to get the best, and keep the best. If you don’t know how to play the game, you won’t be any help to the team, and you will not be able to perform well personally.
This should be the same with college. If 4-year level institutions (I understand that life happens and people take less time and more time, Earlier I referred to the people who continue to waste their, and the states money, in an institution that doesn’t fit them. There is nothing wrong with pursuing vocational or trade schools, apprenticeships {although this model is very uncommon now}, or alternative education if they aren’t able to play this game) were able to orient themselves around students who are able to play the game, there would be a higher quality of education because it is focusing on the material, the institution would have higher merritt, and those graduates will have better opportunities in the future. I’m saying that it is unthinkable that students are unable to write, and should take time before entering the university to learn those skills (community colleges, etc.).
Your comparison to gay marriage is interesting, but EDUCATION should be the primary focus of the state. Personally, I’d rather do away with Marriage as a state institution because it is a religious institution, and religious matters should be less a concern of the state, and more a concern with the individual. Marriage is a social issue, and I’ll let the Social Policy Makers worry about the extent of separation or church and state in this matter, but that debate is out of the scope of this discourse. My concern is education, which to me is the most important institution our government handles. And like I said above, we need to do our best to make sure our legislators know that Education is not an area that should be sacrificed in these hard economic times. Vote to support Education, vote in politicians who support education, and make sure it is an education worth fighting for.
Smith,
I only worry that if those businessmen, alumni, and charitable community members pull their funding, the result will be a closure of the institution, not an adjustment in policy. At this time at least, it is their money to spend as they will, and I’d rather it come into the university supporting extra curricular activities that only better the educational experience, so the university doesn’t have to, than not come in at all.
But like I said, that is my worry. And when I’m older, I’d like to be able to donate (should I be in such a position) to things privately or publicly as I choose, because I would want to be able to give to the charities or causes I feel are important, without someone knocking on my door everyday trying to squeeze more out of me. And I’d imagine that the people giving to the university might also enjoy that privacy.
Smith • Nov 7, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Maxey dont let haters get you down. When other people were the Editor in Chief, when other writers were in charge and wrote what they wanted, no one came after them with a witch hunt. So why should they worry now, because it doesnt favor what they want? Keep up the good work.
Smith • Nov 8, 2009 at 12:47 am
Maxey dont let haters get you down. When other people were the Editor in Chief, when other writers were in charge and wrote what they wanted, no one came after them with a witch hunt. So why should they worry now, because it doesnt favor what they want? Keep up the good work.
Heather • Nov 7, 2009 at 4:25 pm
I was with you on this article until you started acting like Tom is a reasonable human being. Seriously, after last year’s huge drama, you should know better, Maxey.
Heather • Nov 8, 2009 at 12:25 am
I was with you on this article until you started acting like Tom is a reasonable human being. Seriously, after last year’s huge drama, you should know better, Maxey.
Smith • Nov 7, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Interesting spin Naomi, it does make sense when you put it that way. I wonder what the losers of prop 8 would say. I do recall the Prop 8 pro gay marriage advocates got the names of donors to those against their movement to boycott thier business. It almost seems that is what students are seemingly doing. Once the public knows who the “anonymous” or private donors are that give to the university, the public will be inclined to stop supporting those businesses until they support academics and not athletics or campus pointe.
Smith • Nov 7, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Interesting spin Naomi, it does make sense when you put it that way. I wonder what the losers of prop 8 would say. I do recall the Prop 8 pro gay marriage advocates got the names of donors to those against their movement to boycott thier business. It almost seems that is what students are seemingly doing. Once the public knows who the “anonymous” or private donors are that give to the university, the public will be inclined to stop supporting those businesses until they support academics and not athletics or campus pointe.
Naomi • Nov 7, 2009 at 9:00 am
CODY MADSEN: Im sorry that you didnt read my comment correctly. I did not, and i repeat, DID NOT TAKE A PICTURE with ASI when they were asking if i wanted to. And i quote you saying, “lack of motivation to finish a Degree on time” is very sad to hear you say that. Let me ask you Mr. Madsen, Will you finish your degree on time? What do you mean as in time? Who decides for me how long or short it should take in terms of time to complete my degree? And please Mr. Madsen answer this, DO YOU PAY FOR YOUR EDUCATION here at Fresno State? because not all of us have that luxury to pay and get out on “time” as you say.
I didnt take a picture with the ASI because first i didnt really know who they were standing in the Free Speech asking me to take a picture, second, the same day there was a much huger crowd doing exactly what i thought was more for studens for getting the Legislature attention. And also your prejudice shows on how you feel that people should be cut out from the CSU system by saying people of low performance should be cut and it makes the degree less valuable. That is called prejudice and also probably classism, or racism to an extent.
FOR EXAMPLE MR CODY MADSEN: that is like me taking a group of people, GAY people for example, and saying they should not be allowed to have gay marriage rights (which i do support this is just an example) and i say that gays cannot have access to marraige rights becaue they will devalue the worth of a marriage because it should be only between a man and a woman and it is taking them too long in “time” terms to figure out wich way they want to swing and eventually they can only access the marriage when they finally realise they have to swing the right way. Its like saying, Unfortunately there are far too many GAY people who simply cannot perform at a Marriage Level (Collegiate Level on your terms), and should reevaluate their life goals and plans. Because when GAY people get married it weakens the strength of the family and the marriage. And i use that to justify GAYS to stay out of the realm of marriage. Is this right MR MADSEN? Should something of that extent be allowed? cause that is how you are thinking.
Naomi • Nov 7, 2009 at 5:00 pm
CODY MADSEN: Im sorry that you didnt read my comment correctly. I did not, and i repeat, DID NOT TAKE A PICTURE with ASI when they were asking if i wanted to. And i quote you saying, “lack of motivation to finish a Degree on time” is very sad to hear you say that. Let me ask you Mr. Madsen, Will you finish your degree on time? What do you mean as in time? Who decides for me how long or short it should take in terms of time to complete my degree? And please Mr. Madsen answer this, DO YOU PAY FOR YOUR EDUCATION here at Fresno State? because not all of us have that luxury to pay and get out on “time” as you say.
I didnt take a picture with the ASI because first i didnt really know who they were standing in the Free Speech asking me to take a picture, second, the same day there was a much huger crowd doing exactly what i thought was more for studens for getting the Legislature attention. And also your prejudice shows on how you feel that people should be cut out from the CSU system by saying people of low performance should be cut and it makes the degree less valuable. That is called prejudice and also probably classism, or racism to an extent.
FOR EXAMPLE MR CODY MADSEN: that is like me taking a group of people, GAY people for example, and saying they should not be allowed to have gay marriage rights (which i do support this is just an example) and i say that gays cannot have access to marraige rights becaue they will devalue the worth of a marriage because it should be only between a man and a woman and it is taking them too long in “time” terms to figure out wich way they want to swing and eventually they can only access the marriage when they finally realise they have to swing the right way. Its like saying, Unfortunately there are far too many GAY people who simply cannot perform at a Marriage Level (Collegiate Level on your terms), and should reevaluate their life goals and plans. Because when GAY people get married it weakens the strength of the family and the marriage. And i use that to justify GAYS to stay out of the realm of marriage. Is this right MR MADSEN? Should something of that extent be allowed? cause that is how you are thinking.
A Real Alumnus • Nov 6, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Cody–you seem to blame students’ problems on their “not being dedicated and graduating in four years.” That is utter nonsense.
You seem to think this is a recent development. It’s not. Virtually no one graduates in four years. Between students having to work and not being able to carry full time units, required classes only offered once two or three years, and the university itself finding reasons to keep students on campus at least one additional semester (through the creative use of degree evals), it is impossible to get out of school on time.
It should be noted the University was discouraging students two years ago from carrying full loads because it adversely impacted FTE funding. For the funding of one fulltime student (12 units or more), the university could keep two parttimers in school.
A Real Alumnus • Nov 6, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Cody–you seem to blame students’ problems on their “not being dedicated and graduating in four years.” That is utter nonsense.
You seem to think this is a recent development. It’s not. Virtually no one graduates in four years. Between students having to work and not being able to carry full time units, required classes only offered once two or three years, and the university itself finding reasons to keep students on campus at least one additional semester (through the creative use of degree evals), it is impossible to get out of school on time.
It should be noted the University was discouraging students two years ago from carrying full loads because it adversely impacted FTE funding. For the funding of one fulltime student (12 units or more), the university could keep two parttimers in school.
Cody Madsen • Nov 6, 2009 at 12:42 pm
GM:
I think what you fail to see is that money for the library, or money for campus point, was committed in legally binding contracts during the “times of plenty” and had the economy not tanked, they would have been built with ceremonious praise. But alas, California ripped the money out from under us, and so now we have to try to make ends meet.
Cody Madsen • Nov 6, 2009 at 8:42 pm
GM:
I think what you fail to see is that money for the library, or money for campus point, was committed in legally binding contracts during the “times of plenty” and had the economy not tanked, they would have been built with ceremonious praise. But alas, California ripped the money out from under us, and so now we have to try to make ends meet.
GM • Nov 6, 2009 at 10:56 am
Cody Madsen,
You contradict yourself and weaken your argument. On one hand you say the root of the problem is that there are far too many people in school who are aimless and not taking completion of their education with the seriousness it warrants. Fine, I agree. However, your solution is then to …. throw more money at the existing system. A system in which there is money for $100 million library additions but not for classes, faculty and students. A system in which it is impossible to operate without more administrators but you can get by with fewer students and less faculty. A system that makes the argument, in the midst of financial crisis, that administrators are grossly underpaid and deserving of 30% pay hike, but staff can go without raises for years at a time. A system where money is essentially laundered from the students to the Auxiliary corporation to pay for things like Campus Pointe and they then hide behind privacy laws because they are not part of the University. a system where the poor impoverished President has a crew of electricians from the campus spend a week putting up his xmas lights and then do the same to take them down. What a great idea. We’ll throw more money at that and I’m sure all our problems will magically disappear. At least until the next crisis which we can respond to by demanding more money.
GM • Nov 6, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Cody Madsen,
You contradict yourself and weaken your argument. On one hand you say the root of the problem is that there are far too many people in school who are aimless and not taking completion of their education with the seriousness it warrants. Fine, I agree. However, your solution is then to …. throw more money at the existing system. A system in which there is money for $100 million library additions but not for classes, faculty and students. A system in which it is impossible to operate without more administrators but you can get by with fewer students and less faculty. A system that makes the argument, in the midst of financial crisis, that administrators are grossly underpaid and deserving of 30% pay hike, but staff can go without raises for years at a time. A system where money is essentially laundered from the students to the Auxiliary corporation to pay for things like Campus Pointe and they then hide behind privacy laws because they are not part of the University. a system where the poor impoverished President has a crew of electricians from the campus spend a week putting up his xmas lights and then do the same to take them down. What a great idea. We’ll throw more money at that and I’m sure all our problems will magically disappear. At least until the next crisis which we can respond to by demanding more money.
Mac Dre never was a good rapper • Nov 6, 2009 at 9:59 am
Video presentations are cute..
Mac Dre never was a good rappe • Nov 6, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Video presentations are cute..
Cody Madsen • Nov 6, 2009 at 8:41 am
Naomi, if I may clarify:
I hope you did take a picture at the ASI booth. Those pictures were being used in a Video Presentation, which is to be sent to the California Legislature. The intent of asking students to explain what their degree is worth, we are trying to explain to Californian the importance of supporting Higher Education. And although it may seem gratifying to yell at Welty about his state-owned house, and his paycheck, it is important to note that he didn’t have control over the state budget (When contrasted with the 50 Million Dollars that was cut from the CSU Fresno Budget, any adjustment to Welty’s earnings would have hardly an impact). But that isn’t the problem. The problem was students didn’t pay attention to what was going on in Sacramento, and as a result funding for colleges was affected just like every other avenue of life during this crisis.
Personally I feel the root of the problem is the lack of motivation to finish a Degree on time. There was once a time when people finished in 4 years, and there was a strong feeling for Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, and Senior Identity. And after your four years, you graduated, went to grad school or the work place, and eventually became an alumni who contributed to the university. When it takes someone 6 or 7 years to graduate with only a BA, it puts a huge strain on the system. I’ve seen flow charts for many different majors on campus, and most are oriented in a four year program. Fundamentally the problem might be the amount of students who enter college requiring remedial math or English courses, which I’d imagine correlates with potential to succeed. And now that less classes are being offered, the school should really crack down on serial students and let people take classes for the first time.
Bottom line, if Fresno state, and the other CSU’s, were open to everyone who is willing and able to put the time into it, not just anyone who meets the bottom-most requirements, I think the distribution of money would provide for a more successful campus. Unfortunately there are far too many people who simply cannot perform at a Collegiate Level, and should reevaluate their life goals and plans. Because when people barely get a BA after 7 years, retaking a bunch of classes and barely getting by with C’s, it weakens the strength of the degree. I’m not saying people should only go to school if they can get straight A’s, I am saying if people are going to fight for their education, the education should be worth something.
I do implore any who read this to seriously consider writing letters to politicians and newspapers about increasing the state’s budget for funding. It may seem trivial, but if they get enough letters, visits, and publications all telling them it is what the people want, they will have to do it. Angry and unorganized demonstrations only work to alienate, and only publicize the voices of the few and most extreme. We want the rational voices of the many to sound clear from the ramparts, declaring the “OUR EDUCATION IS WORTH IT!”
Cody Madsen • Nov 6, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Naomi, if I may clarify:
I hope you did take a picture at the ASI booth. Those pictures were being used in a Video Presentation, which is to be sent to the California Legislature. The intent of asking students to explain what their degree is worth, we are trying to explain to Californian the importance of supporting Higher Education. And although it may seem gratifying to yell at Welty about his state-owned house, and his paycheck, it is important to note that he didn’t have control over the state budget (When contrasted with the 50 Million Dollars that was cut from the CSU Fresno Budget, any adjustment to Welty’s earnings would have hardly an impact). But that isn’t the problem. The problem was students didn’t pay attention to what was going on in Sacramento, and as a result funding for colleges was affected just like every other avenue of life during this crisis.
Personally I feel the root of the problem is the lack of motivation to finish a Degree on time. There was once a time when people finished in 4 years, and there was a strong feeling for Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, and Senior Identity. And after your four years, you graduated, went to grad school or the work place, and eventually became an alumni who contributed to the university. When it takes someone 6 or 7 years to graduate with only a BA, it puts a huge strain on the system. I’ve seen flow charts for many different majors on campus, and most are oriented in a four year program. Fundamentally the problem might be the amount of students who enter college requiring remedial math or English courses, which I’d imagine correlates with potential to succeed. And now that less classes are being offered, the school should really crack down on serial students and let people take classes for the first time.
Bottom line, if Fresno state, and the other CSU’s, were open to everyone who is willing and able to put the time into it, not just anyone who meets the bottom-most requirements, I think the distribution of money would provide for a more successful campus. Unfortunately there are far too many people who simply cannot perform at a Collegiate Level, and should reevaluate their life goals and plans. Because when people barely get a BA after 7 years, retaking a bunch of classes and barely getting by with C’s, it weakens the strength of the degree. I’m not saying people should only go to school if they can get straight A’s, I am saying if people are going to fight for their education, the education should be worth something.
I do implore any who read this to seriously consider writing letters to politicians and newspapers about increasing the state’s budget for funding. It may seem trivial, but if they get enough letters, visits, and publications all telling them it is what the people want, they will have to do it. Angry and unorganized demonstrations only work to alienate, and only publicize the voices of the few and most extreme. We want the rational voices of the many to sound clear from the ramparts, declaring the “OUR EDUCATION IS WORTH IT!”
Naomi • Nov 5, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I was at the walkout and the students who met with President John Welty. What i realized is that the students in whole are more powerful than ASI itself. I didnt see ASI do anything that would allow students to speak with Welty on such a platform. I did see them in free speech area and they asked me to take a picture, gimme a break.
I didnt see the ASI students ask Welty to support students in such a bold way the other students did. These students really inspired me to be more aware of whats going on. Even the Collegian has been writing stories that might seem questionable yet they caue me to look at things in a different light and that is what its supposed to do isnt it?
CORY MATTHEWS: you need to realize that there are other forms of leadership on this campus rather than just having to participate in ASI. Just because a student is not in ASI doesnt mean they cannot be leaders. Your ideologies are useless and you miss the entire point when it comes to true leaders. I shouldnt have to be on a “committee” to be a leader. The reality is, those are useless structures of power. What the students did with Welty, caused me to realise that!!!!!!!!
Naomi • Nov 5, 2009 at 10:55 pm
I was at the walkout and the students who met with President John Welty. What i realized is that the students in whole are more powerful than ASI itself. I didnt see ASI do anything that would allow students to speak with Welty on such a platform. I did see them in free speech area and they asked me to take a picture, gimme a break.
I didnt see the ASI students ask Welty to support students in such a bold way the other students did. These students really inspired me to be more aware of whats going on. Even the Collegian has been writing stories that might seem questionable yet they caue me to look at things in a different light and that is what its supposed to do isnt it?
CORY MATTHEWS: you need to realize that there are other forms of leadership on this campus rather than just having to participate in ASI. Just because a student is not in ASI doesnt mean they cannot be leaders. Your ideologies are useless and you miss the entire point when it comes to true leaders. I shouldnt have to be on a “committee” to be a leader. The reality is, those are useless structures of power. What the students did with Welty, caused me to realise that!!!!!!!!
PUBLIC comment revealed? • Nov 5, 2009 at 11:39 am
CSU Fresno ASI watch uh? I wonder if that is biased at all…Just more propoganda from the crazies who cant get over the fact that they lost.
PUBLIC comment revealed? • Nov 5, 2009 at 7:39 pm
CSU Fresno ASI watch uh? I wonder if that is biased at all…Just more propoganda from the crazies who cant get over the fact that they lost.
Public comment revealed • Nov 5, 2009 at 11:30 am
There are videos online where you can go to see how bad Tom is, he is rude and disrecpectful even loud but not the attacker or crazy guy that Senator Melissa mata or Craig parks make him out to be. i didnt see them trying to run out their seats for safety.
Judge for yourself
myspace. c o m / c s u fresnoasiwatch
Public comment revealed • Nov 5, 2009 at 7:30 pm
There are videos online where you can go to see how bad Tom is, he is rude and disrecpectful even loud but not the attacker or crazy guy that Senator Melissa mata or Craig parks make him out to be. i didnt see them trying to run out their seats for safety.
Judge for yourself
myspace. c o m / c s u fresnoasiwatch
So cool • Nov 5, 2009 at 11:28 am
Aw those videos are so cool. i love it. Love the part where the wahlbergs are not paying attention and chatting on the side.
It is almost as if i was at the meeting myself. thanks to those of you who make that happen for us, i cant be there at 7AM
So cool • Nov 5, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Aw those videos are so cool. i love it. Love the part where the wahlbergs are not paying attention and chatting on the side.
It is almost as if i was at the meeting myself. thanks to those of you who make that happen for us, i cant be there at 7AM
Not what it seems • Nov 5, 2009 at 11:13 am
Senator Craig Parks and Melissa Mata also are not being clear on thier accusations towards the public comment. I didnt see them running out of thier chair or raising their hand at the meeting when Tom supposedly was going crazy as they make him sound. he was rude and disrespecful but not to the extent they make him seem. They dont mention the issue he brings up which is very strong i would say, but judge for yourself
WANT THE TRUTH SEE THE VIDEOS http://www.myspace.com/csufresnoasiwatch
Not what it seems • Nov 5, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Senator Craig Parks and Melissa Mata also are not being clear on thier accusations towards the public comment. I didnt see them running out of thier chair or raising their hand at the meeting when Tom supposedly was going crazy as they make him sound. he was rude and disrespecful but not to the extent they make him seem. They dont mention the issue he brings up which is very strong i would say, but judge for yourself
WANT THE TRUTH SEE THE VIDEOS http://www.myspace.com/csufresnoasiwatch
A Real Alumnus • Nov 3, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Yes Cory, I do. 30 years of Collegian and Insight reportage on the lack of interest in ASI. In recent years, many times no one runs for offices. Fresno State is a commuter school; most students attend class and the events that might interest them. Student government is viewed as just another group sucking money (ASI fee) out of their wallets for a minimal return.
Historically, ASI has been typically dominated by the social Greeks and at times students involved in the athletic program. For a period of a few years in the late 1980s and early 1990s, students who tended to be liberal or progressive won office and ASI was able to attract people to run for office or to vote in above-average numbers. After the campus’ version of the Republican Revolution in the mid-1990s, after ASI essentially imploded, there has been an abject lack of interest in it.
A Real Alumnus • Nov 4, 2009 at 4:54 am
Yes Cory, I do. 30 years of Collegian and Insight reportage on the lack of interest in ASI. In recent years, many times no one runs for offices. Fresno State is a commuter school; most students attend class and the events that might interest them. Student government is viewed as just another group sucking money (ASI fee) out of their wallets for a minimal return.
Historically, ASI has been typically dominated by the social Greeks and at times students involved in the athletic program. For a period of a few years in the late 1980s and early 1990s, students who tended to be liberal or progressive won office and ASI was able to attract people to run for office or to vote in above-average numbers. After the campus’ version of the Republican Revolution in the mid-1990s, after ASI essentially imploded, there has been an abject lack of interest in it.
Cory Matthews • Nov 3, 2009 at 8:10 pm
A Real Alumnus:
Do you have any facts to back up your statement as to why those 95% don’t vote? Or have you bothered to look up voting among other colleges with student governments?
Besides football games and Vintage Days, I think you’d be pretty hard pressed to find any event at Fresno State in which more than 1000 students willingly participate.
Cory Matthews • Nov 4, 2009 at 4:10 am
A Real Alumnus:
Do you have any facts to back up your statement as to why those 95% don’t vote? Or have you bothered to look up voting among other colleges with student governments?
Besides football games and Vintage Days, I think you’d be pretty hard pressed to find any event at Fresno State in which more than 1000 students willingly participate.
Andrew Crespin • Nov 3, 2009 at 6:58 pm
EL LOCO you are blind and ignorant to the political and activist movements by students on campus. you assume ASI can be more influential on campus but not without student support???
where have you been,, ASI IS THE STUDENTS, and there have been numerous attempts by non affiliated ASI students who apporach ASI students to do such advocacy and they always vote the items down. The ASI shows no support. ASI execs should be fired and replaced with these guys who stood up to the head of administration today…CHEERS FOR THEM!! if they run for ASI positions in the spring they definitely got my vote!!!
Andrew Crespin • Nov 4, 2009 at 2:58 am
EL LOCO you are blind and ignorant to the political and activist movements by students on campus. you assume ASI can be more influential on campus but not without student support???
where have you been,, ASI IS THE STUDENTS, and there have been numerous attempts by non affiliated ASI students who apporach ASI students to do such advocacy and they always vote the items down. The ASI shows no support. ASI execs should be fired and replaced with these guys who stood up to the head of administration today…CHEERS FOR THEM!! if they run for ASI positions in the spring they definitely got my vote!!!
A Real Alumnus • Nov 3, 2009 at 6:40 pm
At least, el loco, the students at the town hall did something the inconsequential ASI has never been able to do–get Dr. Welty to meet with students on their terms, not the administration’s.
A Real Alumnus • Nov 4, 2009 at 2:40 am
At least, el loco, the students at the town hall did something the inconsequential ASI has never been able to do–get Dr. Welty to meet with students on their terms, not the administration’s.
el loco • Nov 3, 2009 at 4:25 pm
I can’t blame ASI officials for not being out at the peace garden. Having been there myself, I can only hope time will repair the damage done by the stupidity of some of the arguments given by the students. I’m not saying it was all bad, but it was unrealistic. As for the lack of participation, can you blame them? If half the country can’t be bothered to go vote for their president, what makes you think they’ll vote for student government? I think that ASI’s performance (either positive or negative) has little to do with voter apathy @ Fresno State. Could ASI be more influential on campus? Yes, but not without student support.
el loco • Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 am
I can’t blame ASI officials for not being out at the peace garden. Having been there myself, I can only hope time will repair the damage done by the stupidity of some of the arguments given by the students. I’m not saying it was all bad, but it was unrealistic. As for the lack of participation, can you blame them? If half the country can’t be bothered to go vote for their president, what makes you think they’ll vote for student government? I think that ASI’s performance (either positive or negative) has little to do with voter apathy @ Fresno State. Could ASI be more influential on campus? Yes, but not without student support.
A Real Alumnus • Nov 3, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Cory–you miss the point.
ASI as it now exists should be abolished.
95 per cent of the students on this campus would not miss it (that’s the percentage who don’t vote in the spring). The fact they don’t run for office or bother to vote illustrates that ASI either does not meet their needs or they feel they’re not represented so why participate.
The distribution of the current ASI fee could be handled by the IRA committee, the USU committee, among others. Student government as it is now has been a failed experiment that should die a natural death.
A Real Alumnus • Nov 3, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Cory–you miss the point.
ASI as it now exists should be abolished.
95 per cent of the students on this campus would not miss it (that’s the percentage who don’t vote in the spring). The fact they don’t run for office or bother to vote illustrates that ASI either does not meet their needs or they feel they’re not represented so why participate.
The distribution of the current ASI fee could be handled by the IRA committee, the USU committee, among others. Student government as it is now has been a failed experiment that should die a natural death.
Cory Matthews • Nov 3, 2009 at 3:21 pm
I love all the people that complain how worthless ASI is instead of doing something about it. You think you can do so much better? Why don’t you get off the computer and go join a committee and represent the students since you can do so much better than the people in place now?
Cory Matthews • Nov 3, 2009 at 11:21 pm
I love all the people that complain how worthless ASI is instead of doing something about it. You think you can do so much better? Why don’t you get off the computer and go join a committee and represent the students since you can do so much better than the people in place now?
A Real Alumnus • Nov 3, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Jennifer–probably unlike you, I was at the townhall meeting in the Peace Garden today. I didn’t see a single one of the ASI officers there. And, the 400 or so students and faculty who were cheered when the students at the head table announced they had NO connection with ASI.
Associated Students is seen as useless, powerless and corrupt. That was mentioned at the townhall as a matter of fact. The general opinion expressed was “ASI has gotta go.” People are tired of a “representative government” that does nothing to represent their interests on the Fresno State campus.
I’ve been critical of Tom. That said, attempts by the Senate to muzzle public comment at the meetings violate students’ free speech rights and must be stopped. Jennifer, I’m not going to cry for people who have to get up and go to a meeting at 7 o’clock in the morning–I go to work way earlier than that. Perhaps, some people simply need to be adult, not overgrown high schoolers.
A Real Alumnus • Nov 3, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Jennifer–probably unlike you, I was at the townhall meeting in the Peace Garden today. I didn’t see a single one of the ASI officers there. And, the 400 or so students and faculty who were cheered when the students at the head table announced they had NO connection with ASI.
Associated Students is seen as useless, powerless and corrupt. That was mentioned at the townhall as a matter of fact. The general opinion expressed was “ASI has gotta go.” People are tired of a “representative government” that does nothing to represent their interests on the Fresno State campus.
I’ve been critical of Tom. That said, attempts by the Senate to muzzle public comment at the meetings violate students’ free speech rights and must be stopped. Jennifer, I’m not going to cry for people who have to get up and go to a meeting at 7 o’clock in the morning–I go to work way earlier than that. Perhaps, some people simply need to be adult, not overgrown high schoolers.
A Student Activist • Nov 3, 2009 at 2:43 pm
It’s interesting to see individuals involved with ASI saying that they are for the students when weeks ago they made it clear that they did not support the students involved with the walkout that protested fee hikes, among other things. Of course, the day of the event(of which was not ASI backed at all) who should place a representive on the outskirts of the protest so they can be clearly seen and interviewed by the media? ASI of course. Any politician reading this will of course see this as a brilliant political move, as do I. But, this single action shows how ASI really is. They do not support the students except when it may benefit them, trying secretly at any moment to get attention that portrays them as “for the students.”
The students are not as blind to what you are doing as you may think/portray us to be. We definitely see and know what is going on..
A Student Activist • Nov 3, 2009 at 10:43 pm
It’s interesting to see individuals involved with ASI saying that they are for the students when weeks ago they made it clear that they did not support the students involved with the walkout that protested fee hikes, among other things. Of course, the day of the event(of which was not ASI backed at all) who should place a representive on the outskirts of the protest so they can be clearly seen and interviewed by the media? ASI of course. Any politician reading this will of course see this as a brilliant political move, as do I. But, this single action shows how ASI really is. They do not support the students except when it may benefit them, trying secretly at any moment to get attention that portrays them as “for the students.”
The students are not as blind to what you are doing as you may think/portray us to be. We definitely see and know what is going on..
Jennifer • Nov 3, 2009 at 11:57 am
First of all @ A Real Alumnus ” (and lest anyone says I don’t know what I’m talking about, my brother was the Senator for the College of Engineering years ago). ”
How about you not speak for someone who was actually involved and speak for yourself. What have you done to help this university? Did you serve on the senate? Did you speak up on issues that were effecting you or your fellow students? No? Then sit down and be quiet. You think voicing your opinion on the Collegian’s website makes you any better than that clown who ignored the rules of a senate meeting and rather than make a valid point he merely yelled and literally pointed fingers at people? I think it makes you his equal. I’m tired of people complaining about the system from the comfort of their dorm rooms when our hard working senators are getting up at yes 7a.m. because they have classes to attend, or jobs to go work not to mention carry the burdens and concerns of 22,000 ungrateful students who dont seem to care but would rather go by the Collegian’s word which seems to be solely based on a disgruntled student’s opinion rather than the actual facts.
How can so many people be so quick to judge and yet they havent done anything to change it themselves. You think yelling at a senate meeting is going to get people to understand where you’re coming from and emphathize with you? No. It’s only going to discredit you even more. You want to make a difference? Vote. Run for office. Do something! But dont be influenced by what a paper tells you, or what some finger pointing maniac screams at you, decide for yourself. Go to these meetings. Participate! Give a damn! Otherwise, just dont say anything.
Jennifer • Nov 3, 2009 at 7:57 pm
First of all @ A Real Alumnus ” (and lest anyone says I don’t know what I’m talking about, my brother was the Senator for the College of Engineering years ago). ”
How about you not speak for someone who was actually involved and speak for yourself. What have you done to help this university? Did you serve on the senate? Did you speak up on issues that were effecting you or your fellow students? No? Then sit down and be quiet. You think voicing your opinion on the Collegian’s website makes you any better than that clown who ignored the rules of a senate meeting and rather than make a valid point he merely yelled and literally pointed fingers at people? I think it makes you his equal. I’m tired of people complaining about the system from the comfort of their dorm rooms when our hard working senators are getting up at yes 7a.m. because they have classes to attend, or jobs to go work not to mention carry the burdens and concerns of 22,000 ungrateful students who dont seem to care but would rather go by the Collegian’s word which seems to be solely based on a disgruntled student’s opinion rather than the actual facts.
How can so many people be so quick to judge and yet they havent done anything to change it themselves. You think yelling at a senate meeting is going to get people to understand where you’re coming from and emphathize with you? No. It’s only going to discredit you even more. You want to make a difference? Vote. Run for office. Do something! But dont be influenced by what a paper tells you, or what some finger pointing maniac screams at you, decide for yourself. Go to these meetings. Participate! Give a damn! Otherwise, just dont say anything.
el loco • Nov 3, 2009 at 11:54 am
as someone who has class with several collegian writers, I can attest to their stupidity, and their lack of objectivity.
el loco • Nov 3, 2009 at 7:54 pm
as someone who has class with several collegian writers, I can attest to their stupidity, and their lack of objectivity.
ASI is a joke • Nov 3, 2009 at 9:29 am
A Real Alumnus: Ah, good points. Now all we have to do is wait for those involved with ASI to go against what you said and claim it’s all false, while none of them were students at Fresno State at that time.
Wait for it.. Wait for it..
ASI is a joke • Nov 3, 2009 at 5:29 pm
A Real Alumnus: Ah, good points. Now all we have to do is wait for those involved with ASI to go against what you said and claim it’s all false, while none of them were students at Fresno State at that time.
Wait for it.. Wait for it..
A Real Alumnus • Nov 3, 2009 at 8:58 am
I hate to say this–ASI has been corrupt and a joke for as long as I can remember (and lest anyone says I don’t know what I’m talking about, my brother was the Senator for the College of Engineering years ago). He used to say that ASI was like high school–people who thought they were big fish in the small pond that is Fresno State. The only problem was that this group controlled a large pot of money and tended to spend it at the behest of their buddies.
I was on campus in the 80s, when a group of students seized control of the ASI offices for over a week and revealed some of the corruption they claimed they found in the files to the Collegian. One form of corruption ASI routinely engaged in was the attempted silencing of the campus newspaper. Because ASI funded the Collegian, the Senate wanted control of the content–no articles critical of ASI or of the social Greeks (this was the era of date rape over on fraternity row). This led in time to the “Collegian fee,” making the paper independent of the clowns on the top floor of the USU.
The one good thing coming out of ASI is the seed money for the Children’s Center and some other campus services over the years. Otherwise ASI has been a huge waste of time. Most students don’t care whether ASI exists or not.
A Real Alumnus • Nov 3, 2009 at 4:58 pm
I hate to say this–ASI has been corrupt and a joke for as long as I can remember (and lest anyone says I don’t know what I’m talking about, my brother was the Senator for the College of Engineering years ago). He used to say that ASI was like high school–people who thought they were big fish in the small pond that is Fresno State. The only problem was that this group controlled a large pot of money and tended to spend it at the behest of their buddies.
I was on campus in the 80s, when a group of students seized control of the ASI offices for over a week and revealed some of the corruption they claimed they found in the files to the Collegian. One form of corruption ASI routinely engaged in was the attempted silencing of the campus newspaper. Because ASI funded the Collegian, the Senate wanted control of the content–no articles critical of ASI or of the social Greeks (this was the era of date rape over on fraternity row). This led in time to the “Collegian fee,” making the paper independent of the clowns on the top floor of the USU.
The one good thing coming out of ASI is the seed money for the Children’s Center and some other campus services over the years. Otherwise ASI has been a huge waste of time. Most students don’t care whether ASI exists or not.
Concerned Alumni • Nov 3, 2009 at 4:15 am
@Craig, that was a bold move, but somebody had to say it man. This crap is supposed to be journalism? This is the same thing that happen last year when the colliegian refued to recognize that Tom (23) was married to the “disgruntled employee” Annie Tremp (46) and was pushing her agenda as the poor employee who just wanted to do her job. She was doing her job alright, and he was helping her when she would have extra work to do…late night, giving her a helping hand…in the office.
Tom is a joke who talks a big game but cannot win an election with his army of puppets so he uses the media and of course our esteemed newspaper, who have never had a bias towards ASI, are happy to write an article about it, stoking the fire.
There needs to be an organized burning of this trash, or a boycott. Save for the sudoku, no one would pick it up anyway. Thats why journalism majors look for somewhere else to go get experience, the collegian has to beg for reporters, and this is what they get.
@Jared you have too much hate in your heart man, did someone on ASI make a subway joke? You are really quick to point fingers but ASI has done a lot, and Craig is one of the few left that actually cares. He deals with all of the crap from ungrateful students who are quick to gripe and complain but never actually do anything, and he is still standing.
@abe err…Tom you talk a big game because you know if anyone gave you what you deserve you would run and sue them like a punk. You are the last one to talk about rules,how about not fraternizing in ASI offices? How about not using ASI office furniture to set up your little love-nest? Oh you are not talking about those rules, my bad.
Concerned Alumni • Nov 3, 2009 at 12:15 pm
@Craig, that was a bold move, but somebody had to say it man. This crap is supposed to be journalism? This is the same thing that happen last year when the colliegian refued to recognize that Tom (23) was married to the “disgruntled employee” Annie Tremp (46) and was pushing her agenda as the poor employee who just wanted to do her job. She was doing her job alright, and he was helping her when she would have extra work to do…late night, giving her a helping hand…in the office.
Tom is a joke who talks a big game but cannot win an election with his army of puppets so he uses the media and of course our esteemed newspaper, who have never had a bias towards ASI, are happy to write an article about it, stoking the fire.
There needs to be an organized burning of this trash, or a boycott. Save for the sudoku, no one would pick it up anyway. Thats why journalism majors look for somewhere else to go get experience, the collegian has to beg for reporters, and this is what they get.
@Jared you have too much hate in your heart man, did someone on ASI make a subway joke? You are really quick to point fingers but ASI has done a lot, and Craig is one of the few left that actually cares. He deals with all of the crap from ungrateful students who are quick to gripe and complain but never actually do anything, and he is still standing.
@abe err…Tom you talk a big game because you know if anyone gave you what you deserve you would run and sue them like a punk. You are the last one to talk about rules,how about not fraternizing in ASI offices? How about not using ASI office furniture to set up your little love-nest? Oh you are not talking about those rules, my bad.
ron dougle • Nov 3, 2009 at 12:54 am
ASI killed my puppy. And then they laughed about it.
ron dougle • Nov 3, 2009 at 8:54 am
ASI killed my puppy. And then they laughed about it.
Melissa Mata • Nov 3, 2009 at 12:22 am
As a fellow journalism student, I am surprised to see that Brian Maxey has not figured out that reporting is supposed to be unbiased. It is the most basic principle journalists have to follow and Maxey fails to do so. The way Maxey portrays Tom Boroujeni is interesting to say the least. I am also taken aback by the fact that he only interviews members of the ASI executive board while leaving out the views of the Senate.
I enjoy public comment and am always eager to hear what my fellow students have to say. During our most recent meeting, Boroujeni crossed the line. I was legitimately afraid when he began screaming at the Senate and pointing his finger. In his article, Maxey portrays him as a calm and politically correct student. Boroujeni was anything but that, which is evidenced by the fact that campus police had to be called.
ASI represents 22,000 to 23,000 students. Most students who show up to our meetings have legitimate concerns and announcements, while students like Boroujeni like to scream random things–perhaps he likes the sound of his own voice. Students like him are not representative of the students at large. Maxey would know that if he took the time to interview students at large and not just the extremists.
The bottom line is that in order to prevent constant fee increases and furloughs, we as a campus community and as a part of a system-wide effort need to make sure that our legislators in Sacramento know that we care about our education. Screaming at the Student Senate and writing articles that are disgraceful to journalism create an atmosphere of division and resentment, while doing nothing to improve our situation.
Melissa Mata • Nov 3, 2009 at 8:22 am
As a fellow journalism student, I am surprised to see that Brian Maxey has not figured out that reporting is supposed to be unbiased. It is the most basic principle journalists have to follow and Maxey fails to do so. The way Maxey portrays Tom Boroujeni is interesting to say the least. I am also taken aback by the fact that he only interviews members of the ASI executive board while leaving out the views of the Senate.
I enjoy public comment and am always eager to hear what my fellow students have to say. During our most recent meeting, Boroujeni crossed the line. I was legitimately afraid when he began screaming at the Senate and pointing his finger. In his article, Maxey portrays him as a calm and politically correct student. Boroujeni was anything but that, which is evidenced by the fact that campus police had to be called.
ASI represents 22,000 to 23,000 students. Most students who show up to our meetings have legitimate concerns and announcements, while students like Boroujeni like to scream random things–perhaps he likes the sound of his own voice. Students like him are not representative of the students at large. Maxey would know that if he took the time to interview students at large and not just the extremists.
The bottom line is that in order to prevent constant fee increases and furloughs, we as a campus community and as a part of a system-wide effort need to make sure that our legislators in Sacramento know that we care about our education. Screaming at the Student Senate and writing articles that are disgraceful to journalism create an atmosphere of division and resentment, while doing nothing to improve our situation.
Blazman • Nov 3, 2009 at 12:18 am
you show your immaturity with that nonsense posting, Selena. you aren’t fit to hold elected office even at this amateur level.
Blazman • Nov 3, 2009 at 8:18 am
you show your immaturity with that nonsense posting, Selena. you aren’t fit to hold elected office even at this amateur level.
Jared Harper • Nov 3, 2009 at 12:05 am
Great poem Farnesi…that is just the problem with ASI ..too many KIDS who say they care yet they dont comprehend the misrepresentation they are doing. Where are the real grown ups who know how to govern.
Jared Harper • Nov 3, 2009 at 8:05 am
Great poem Farnesi…that is just the problem with ASI ..too many KIDS who say they care yet they dont comprehend the misrepresentation they are doing. Where are the real grown ups who know how to govern.
Selena Farnesi • Nov 2, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Dear angry writers who hate ASI –
And dear students who are believing their lies,
I write to you in desperation
Hoping to evoke a revelation… Read More
Hoping my story will sink in with you
Hoping you’ll see what is really true
I̢۪m just a girl who loves Fresno State
I got involved in ASI to help make it great
I̢۪m not corrupt, not even close, I work for free
Because I want this campus to be all it can be
Trust me, fellow students; I̢۪m in this for you
To your voices and ideas I want to be true
So come to me with a kind word and heart
All this scamming and screaming just tears us apart
We have to work together; we have to act as one
Only then will we be able to get our job done –
One body of students with a vision for our CSU
Hand in hand we can make things better for me and you
ASI isn̢۪t evil; we aren̢۪t trying to limit your rights
And we aren’t stupid either – we know budget cuts bite
We know your upset and feeling let down
That’s why we are here – to change that frown
We are fighting for library hours and your classes
We promote quality education for the masses
Newspapers, bulldog blog, and club funding too
This is just the beginning of what we can do for you
So please, of you I beg, give me a chance
All I want to do is help us all advance
So with all of that said, I ask
That each one of you takes on my task
Help me make this school the best
Advocate with me, and we’ll show the rest
We’ll show the doubters
And the pouters
We’ll show the naysayers too
That we can make a difference – me and you.
That̢۪s all for now,
Goodbye, adios, and choa
Sincerely, Selena – Senator of Student Affairs
Letting you know, I̢۪m also just a kid who cares.
Selena Farnesi • Nov 3, 2009 at 7:32 am
Dear angry writers who hate ASI –
And dear students who are believing their lies,
I write to you in desperation
Hoping to evoke a revelation… Read More
Hoping my story will sink in with you
Hoping you’ll see what is really true
I’m just a girl who loves Fresno State
I got involved in ASI to help make it great
I’m not corrupt, not even close, I work for free
Because I want this campus to be all it can be
Trust me, fellow students; I’m in this for you
To your voices and ideas I want to be true
So come to me with a kind word and heart
All this scamming and screaming just tears us apart
We have to work together; we have to act as one
Only then will we be able to get our job done –
One body of students with a vision for our CSU
Hand in hand we can make things better for me and you
ASI isn’t evil; we aren’t trying to limit your rights
And we aren’t stupid either ”“ we know budget cuts bite
We know your upset and feeling let down
That’s why we are here ”“ to change that frown
We are fighting for library hours and your classes
We promote quality education for the masses
Newspapers, bulldog blog, and club funding too
This is just the beginning of what we can do for you
So please, of you I beg, give me a chance
All I want to do is help us all advance
So with all of that said, I ask
That each one of you takes on my task
Help me make this school the best
Advocate with me, and we’ll show the rest
We’ll show the doubters
And the pouters
We’ll show the naysayers too
That we can make a difference – me and you.
That’s all for now,
Goodbye, adios, and choa
Sincerely, Selena ”“ Senator of Student Affairs
Letting you know, I’m also just a kid who cares.
Eduard Carrochio • Nov 3, 2009 at 1:57 am
”It would be seemed to me” —- okay, doctor
Eduard Carrochio • Nov 2, 2009 at 5:57 pm
”It would be seemed to me” —- okay, doctor
abe • Nov 2, 2009 at 5:48 pm
To Senator Parks: So you and the rest of Welty’s puppets were scared of Tom? Maybe if you actually listened to the things he was saying and started going by the rules… ASI is a huge joke, they enjoy that students don’t seem to care, it makes it easier for them to misrepresent the students, why do you think they meet at 7am?
The students who do care see through your sham. You all ignore the students, you break your own rules, you lie, cheat and steal from the students. No wonder you were scared, you know what you deserve and you thought Tom might give it to you.
Shape up or stop being a “student representative”, you make us all lose faith in the system, you are just a politician in training remember.
abe • Nov 3, 2009 at 1:48 am
To Senator Parks: So you and the rest of Welty’s puppets were scared of Tom? Maybe if you actually listened to the things he was saying and started going by the rules… ASI is a huge joke, they enjoy that students don’t seem to care, it makes it easier for them to misrepresent the students, why do you think they meet at 7am?
The students who do care see through your sham. You all ignore the students, you break your own rules, you lie, cheat and steal from the students. No wonder you were scared, you know what you deserve and you thought Tom might give it to you.
Shape up or stop being a “student representative”, you make us all lose faith in the system, you are just a politician in training remember.
Jared Harper • Nov 2, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Great job on writing this article Brian. Seriously im not regurgitating what Senator Parks commented. The freedom of the press is something we should all value. Giving up on you for good? it almost sounds as though Senator parks is paying you off. Wow and he is supposed to be the Legislative rep for all 22,000 students. I think i have given up on him for good, as many other students might now have thier legislative voice on campus silenced with him as our rep.
Jared Harper • Nov 2, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Great job on writing this article Brian. Seriously im not regurgitating what Senator Parks commented. The freedom of the press is something we should all value. Giving up on you for good? it almost sounds as though Senator parks is paying you off. Wow and he is supposed to be the Legislative rep for all 22,000 students. I think i have given up on him for good, as many other students might now have thier legislative voice on campus silenced with him as our rep.
Dr. Raymond Marsalis-Martinez, M.D. • Nov 2, 2009 at 9:00 am
That is great that they have set up standards to limit public comment to 5 minutes. I could imagine the type of speaking that is going on. It would be seemed to me that the speaking is like a broken record playing. Yes, it is their given right to speak up against the furloughs, budget cuts but that is why people can organize. On the senate their was to be somebody that have a voice. Many, don’t care about ASI, they got problems of their own like working, studying and many have families.
Dr. Raymond Marsalis-Martinez, • Nov 2, 2009 at 5:00 pm
That is great that they have set up standards to limit public comment to 5 minutes. I could imagine the type of speaking that is going on. It would be seemed to me that the speaking is like a broken record playing. Yes, it is their given right to speak up against the furloughs, budget cuts but that is why people can organize. On the senate their was to be somebody that have a voice. Many, don’t care about ASI, they got problems of their own like working, studying and many have families.
jim carrone • Nov 2, 2009 at 8:15 am
Honestly, I believe that ASI is able to get away with doing a half job because a majority of students simply do not care about their student government. I mean, I know people that do not even know or care to know who their elected ASI officials are..
jim carrone • Nov 2, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Honestly, I believe that ASI is able to get away with doing a half job because a majority of students simply do not care about their student government. I mean, I know people that do not even know or care to know who their elected ASI officials are..
Craig Parks • Nov 2, 2009 at 12:53 am
Brian Maxey,
Congratulations on twisting this story and casting Tom Boroujeni in a good light. It’s stories like this that cause me to read the collegian about once a month. I think after this one though, I’ve given up on you for good.
Are you sure you were actually at the meeting?
After the 5 minutes were up Tom preceded to verbally attack our chair and even a member in the audience who had been invited to consult the senate on parliamentary procedure. Most of us senators who are not one of Tom’s puppets were actually concerned for our safety.
I can carry on, but what’s the point anymore?
P.S. Congrats Tom, I feel like I’m reading Harry Potter.
Craig Parks • Nov 2, 2009 at 8:53 am
Brian Maxey,
Congratulations on twisting this story and casting Tom Boroujeni in a good light. It’s stories like this that cause me to read the collegian about once a month. I think after this one though, I’ve given up on you for good.
Are you sure you were actually at the meeting?
After the 5 minutes were up Tom preceded to verbally attack our chair and even a member in the audience who had been invited to consult the senate on parliamentary procedure. Most of us senators who are not one of Tom’s puppets were actually concerned for our safety.
I can carry on, but what’s the point anymore?
P.S. Congrats Tom, I feel like I’m reading Harry Potter.