Disappointing seasons separates true Bulldog fans from the rest
For those of you who had high hopes of our football team going undefeated and crashing the BCS party, wake up.
If there̢۪s anything you could learn from watching Fresno State football for the past decade, it̢۪s to not buy into the hype. It̢۪s great to set high goals, but you̢۪re only setting yourself up for failure when those goals become expectations like they have here with our fans.
When the season gets tough like it has this year for our team, our fans leave the games early, don̢۪t even show up to the games at all, or even boo our own student-athletes.
These “fansâ€Â aren’t true supporters of the team. They support the team’s success, not the team itself. They’re not there when the team needs them the most.
Sure, everybody wants to win all the time, but that̢۪s not the reality of the situation. The reality is that the team needs us there in the stadium cheering for them and to show the other team how intimidating it is to play in front of the Red Wave.
I̢۪ll be there next season win or lose.
Will you?
Kyle Pope
Junior
Civil Engineering
Academic scholarships outdone by athletics, to students̢۪ loss
Fresno State favors athletics over education, and has caused many students to question this school̢۪s main purpose.
Fresno State̢۪s football team is provided with full payment of tuition, board, food, and first-priority registration. Not even the Smittcamp Family Honors College, Fresno State̢۪s highest awarding academic scholarship, is provided with all of these benefits.
Why do athletic scholarships prove to be superior to academic scholarships?
Unfortunately, the factor of money has manipulated the essence of this school̢۪s duty. The income for sports, specifically football, is so great that it is given higher priority than the education of students.
I agree that athletics bring spirit and excitement to the school, but ask this question, “Who deserves the most reward, those here to learn, or those here to play?â€Â Fresno State’s first concern should be to teach, not to entertain.
Jack Kuipers
Freshman
Biology
‘Uneducated voters’ should not expect ‘change’ too quickly
Uneducated voters need to quit wishing for the unfeasible just because the president-elect is Barack Obama. This nation should not let the uneducated vote or have a voice in government issues.
I’m tired of hearing so many ignorant people shout and scream that all their problems are going to go away just because Barack Obama won the presidential election. These uneducated voters think that they will get their foreclosed homes back and that the price of gas will always remain low.
It’s extremely annoying hearing these people say that now the government will pay all their bills and magically all their problems will disappear. These people see Obama as the new modern-day Robin Hood.
I just can’t wait to see how these so called citizens will react when they come to find out that there is no instantaneous solution to all the problems that our country is facing.
Don’t get me wrong, I too believe that this country is ready for “change” but I know that it is going to take a while and I’m not expecting any miracles to happen anytime soon.
Christopher Elledge
Sophomore
Undeclared
Animals rights, human rights not comparable or connected
Stop comparing animal rights with human rights. I̢۪m tired of hearing people complain about how the passing of Prop 2 and Prop 8 means that society cares more about animals than human beings.
There are plenty of factors that played into how both got passed, none of which mean that we value animals more than people.
While discrimination is an issue in our society, it does not mean that the two are connected.
Jenna Stanton
Sophomore
Mass Communication and Journalism
Time for Californians to reconsider the value of education
Did anyone notice how there was no single proposition in this year̢۪s electoral ballot regarding education? Instead we were presented with propositions that would focus on bonds for veterans, and a proposition to increase the amount of funds that are given to the law enforcement to have better rehabilitation programs as well as a better victim̢۪s protection program.
What many people do not understand is that crime doesn̢۪t just happen; crime is committed mainly by subjects that lack a good quality education.
A good education does not only promote tolerance and knowledge, but also strong social skills which are what many criminals are in desperate need of.
Instead of investing in criminals and people who already are doomed to spend the rest of their lives in jail, we should focus and push for a better education system.
The governor of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger, decides to constantly cut funds from education whenever he finds California in a budget crisis. He also constantly justifies this by saying that all that money is going to be refunded within a couple of years.
It is time to value education and see the importance it really brings into our communities. It is time to push for change and better quality schools.
Rocio Ortiz
Sophomore
Criminology
Heightened presence of letters to the editor a refreshing change
Kudos to the Collegian staff for incorporating more letters to the editor within the paper in the last several editions.
While I don̢۪t always agree with the ideas and opinions presented by the Collegian, I commend you for allowing others̢۪ voices to be heard.
As a college paper, it is important that the opinions and thoughts of the diverse student population on campus are heard.
Inclusion of these truly helps make this paper a true campus institution.
Tori Kennedy
Freshman
Biology
New library will be worth students̢۪ wait, inconvenience
While Fresno State’s library construction may cause some minor inconveniences at the moment, as someone who has been inside both the old and new library, I can tell you it will be well worth the extra five minutes one has to wake up to walk around the construction zone or wait a day for your books -— which would not be a problem if students began looking for sources more than one day before their essays are due.
There are probably many of you on campus who did not get the pleasure of walking through the dark, cramped stacks to look for your books in the old library.
For you, the transformation may not be as drastic as it was to me, but as a student assistant who works in the library and has experienced the difference between them, the new library is so superior to the old that once it has opened most will think it was worth the bother of having someone bring books to you rather than you going down to look for them.
The old library had low ceilings, dim lighting, and was crammed with books from floor to ceiling. There were few study areas and no computer labs, although you could check out a laptop.
The new library, in comparison, is huge, has a ton of natural light, study areas, and a café in the works.
Once opened, this library will be a much improved resource for all of the students and a pride to our campus.
Jenneva Cantido
Freshman
Speech Language Pathology
Christopher Elledge • Dec 10, 2008 at 11:43 am
I was not referring to undeclared?’s typos, it was his overall spelling and CONTENT that made no sense and was irrelevant to the editorial. Harper was the one to bring up “typos.” Some people that post comments on here are just pathetic. Apparently some of these pathetic people find it offensive to thank someone in a comment. People have strayed way too far from the original topic. I am done here. Every email that I get from this site will be deleted in order to not waste my time dealing with incompetent people.
Christopher Elledge • Dec 10, 2008 at 6:43 pm
I was not referring to undeclared?’s typos, it was his overall spelling and CONTENT that made no sense and was irrelevant to the editorial. Harper was the one to bring up “typos.” Some people that post comments on here are just pathetic. Apparently some of these pathetic people find it offensive to thank someone in a comment. People have strayed way too far from the original topic. I am done here. Every email that I get from this site will be deleted in order to not waste my time dealing with incompetent people.
Christopher Elledge • Dec 10, 2008 at 6:43 pm
I was not referring to undeclared?’s typos, it was his overall spelling and CONTENT that made no sense and was irrelevant to the editorial. Harper was the one to bring up “typos.” Some people that post comments on here are just pathetic. Apparently some of these pathetic people find it offensive to thank someone in a comment. People have strayed way too far from the original topic. I am done here. Every email that I get from this site will be deleted in order to not waste my time dealing with incompetent people.
student • Dec 10, 2008 at 10:04 am
Christopher: Actually, I didn’t find undeclared?’s statements that hard to understand as far as typos go. Jose actually had more. Punctuation is a di
student • Dec 10, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Christopher: Actually, I didn’t find undeclared?’s statements that hard to understand as far as typos go. Jose actually had more. Punctuation is a di
student • Dec 10, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Christopher: Actually, I didn’t find undeclared?’s statements that hard to understand as far as typos go. Jose actually had more. Punctuation is a di
Christopher Elledge • Dec 10, 2008 at 2:17 am
Harper was the one to bring up the thought of typos when what i wrote to undeclared? is that his overall spelling and content was completely off. I understand typos here and there, but when it’s as bad as undeclared, it becomes a mess. If you were to read all the comments you would find it ironic that undeclared? lacks these basic writing skills but yet goes out of his/her way to assume that I am uneducated. Get real. If you live in a glass house you shouldn’t throw stones. Besides, do you honestly think that I would use typos as some sort of last minute defense to win an argument? What did you expect?…that I would bash on every single comment that had a typo? Also, is it a crime to thank someone for their positive feedback? It’s called common courtesy, which appears isn’t too common in your life.
Christopher Elledge • Dec 10, 2008 at 9:17 am
Harper was the one to bring up the thought of typos when what i wrote to undeclared? is that his overall spelling and content was completely off. I understand typos here and there, but when it’s as bad as undeclared, it becomes a mess. If you were to read all the comments you would find it ironic that undeclared? lacks these basic writing skills but yet goes out of his/her way to assume that I am uneducated. Get real. If you live in a glass house you shouldn’t throw stones. Besides, do you honestly think that I would use typos as some sort of last minute defense to win an argument? What did you expect?…that I would bash on every single comment that had a typo? Also, is it a crime to thank someone for their positive feedback? It’s called common courtesy, which appears isn’t too common in your life.
Christopher Elledge • Dec 10, 2008 at 9:17 am
Harper was the one to bring up the thought of typos when what i wrote to undeclared? is that his overall spelling and content was completely off. I understand typos here and there, but when it’s as bad as undeclared, it becomes a mess. If you were to read all the comments you would find it ironic that undeclared? lacks these basic writing skills but yet goes out of his/her way to assume that I am uneducated. Get real. If you live in a glass house you shouldn’t throw stones. Besides, do you honestly think that I would use typos as some sort of last minute defense to win an argument? What did you expect?…that I would bash on every single comment that had a typo? Also, is it a crime to thank someone for their positive feedback? It’s called common courtesy, which appears isn’t too common in your life.
BulldogsinNM • Dec 10, 2008 at 12:41 am
i just wanted to note something cause i was following this debate but isnt Christoper Elledge going to also make fun of Jose for his typos? or is it just cause he came to your aid you thanked him? you did that to the other guy, assuming he is a guy. Please dont attack me though i was just bringing up a thought, PEACE 🙂
BulldogsinNM • Dec 10, 2008 at 7:41 am
i just wanted to note something cause i was following this debate but isnt Christoper Elledge going to also make fun of Jose for his typos? or is it just cause he came to your aid you thanked him? you did that to the other guy, assuming he is a guy. Please dont attack me though i was just bringing up a thought, PEACE 🙂
BulldogsinNM • Dec 10, 2008 at 7:41 am
i just wanted to note something cause i was following this debate but isnt Christoper Elledge going to also make fun of Jose for his typos? or is it just cause he came to your aid you thanked him? you did that to the other guy, assuming he is a guy. Please dont attack me though i was just bringing up a thought, PEACE 🙂
Christopher Elledge • Dec 9, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Thank you Jennifer and Jose. I appreciate the feedback.
Christopher Elledge • Dec 10, 2008 at 6:49 am
Thank you Jennifer and Jose. I appreciate the feedback.
Christopher Elledge • Dec 10, 2008 at 6:49 am
Thank you Jennifer and Jose. I appreciate the feedback.
Jose • Dec 9, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Christopher Elledge, usually when I posts like these I just read them and move on but I just couldn’t help but provide some insight. First of all I just want to start by saying “undeclaredâ€Â is an idiot. I wanted to make that clear since I can see he or she needs to be addressed in a direct manner, in order to understand anything. The title of your post clearly stated what you were writing about, uneducated voters who lack understanding of social issues. They fail to realize the immense process involved in policy decisions, specially at a national level. There are so many idiots who have been thinking that the election of Obama will bring change to things that are out of his immediate control. If you take gas prices as an example, it would be highly unlikely that new policies would have a greater effect than supply/demand or OPEC. I’m sure that situations like these is what you were alluding to. “Unfeasibleâ€Â is the perfect way to describe them. Mentioning that the uneducated vote should not have an impact on policy decisions doesn’t mean that you advocating for their exclusion from voting all together but that representatives should not pander to people who want their personal problems fixed without regard for the issue at hand. You post was pretty simple and made perfect sense so I just want to end by once again stating that “undeclaredâ€Â is an idiot.
Jose • Dec 9, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Christopher Elledge, usually when I posts like these I just read them and move on but I just couldn’t help but provide some insight. First of all I just want to start by saying “undeclared” is an idiot. I wanted to make that clear since I can see he or she needs to be addressed in a direct manner, in order to understand anything. The title of your post clearly stated what you were writing about, uneducated voters who lack understanding of social issues. They fail to realize the immense process involved in policy decisions, specially at a national level. There are so many idiots who have been thinking that the election of Obama will bring change to things that are out of his immediate control. If you take gas prices as an example, it would be highly unlikely that new policies would have a greater effect than supply/demand or OPEC. I’m sure that situations like these is what you were alluding to. “Unfeasible” is the perfect way to describe them. Mentioning that the uneducated vote should not have an impact on policy decisions doesn’t mean that you advocating for their exclusion from voting all together but that representatives should not pander to people who want their personal problems fixed without regard for the issue at hand. You post was pretty simple and made perfect sense so I just want to end by once again stating that “undeclared” is an idiot.
Jose • Dec 9, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Christopher Elledge, usually when I posts like these I just read them and move on but I just couldn’t help but provide some insight. First of all I just want to start by saying “undeclared” is an idiot. I wanted to make that clear since I can see he or she needs to be addressed in a direct manner, in order to understand anything. The title of your post clearly stated what you were writing about, uneducated voters who lack understanding of social issues. They fail to realize the immense process involved in policy decisions, specially at a national level. There are so many idiots who have been thinking that the election of Obama will bring change to things that are out of his immediate control. If you take gas prices as an example, it would be highly unlikely that new policies would have a greater effect than supply/demand or OPEC. I’m sure that situations like these is what you were alluding to. “Unfeasible” is the perfect way to describe them. Mentioning that the uneducated vote should not have an impact on policy decisions doesn’t mean that you advocating for their exclusion from voting all together but that representatives should not pander to people who want their personal problems fixed without regard for the issue at hand. You post was pretty simple and made perfect sense so I just want to end by once again stating that “undeclared” is an idiot.
jennifer • Dec 8, 2008 at 11:37 pm
christopher I just want to say I agree because I was pretty much thinking everything you said.
jennifer • Dec 9, 2008 at 6:37 am
christopher I just want to say I agree because I was pretty much thinking everything you said.
jennifer • Dec 9, 2008 at 6:37 am
christopher I just want to say I agree because I was pretty much thinking everything you said.
Christopher Elledge • Dec 7, 2008 at 2:55 am
Harper…”if only Christopher, you reminded yourself of why it exists before writing an opinion. Your elected representatives know better than falling for uneducated voters who shout and cry for rapid democratic change. Of course it takes time that’s a no brainer. They don’t want a revolution or they lose power.” That as you put it is a “no brainer.” The whole point of me writing the editorial was to spark interest and to rant, which it has obviously done. It simply was an opinion which some people have taken way too far. Also, comparing my laughing with a physically disabled person is taking it to the extreme. I found it kind of ironic how undeclared? was labeling me as some uneducated student who has “no passion” or “experience” when undeclared? struggles to write a legible comment, and that doesn’t just mean the typos but the overall content. I couldn’t help but laugh. And if you can recall, undeclared? started his first opinion by attacking the writer instead of the message and he went on to do so in every comment that followed. I think undeclared? changed the tone of the argument with that first comment he made. It also appears that you like to attack the writer as you wrote…”the sad thing is people write opinions believing uneducated people shouldn’t vote.” Maybe you missed that but hey, “I’m just telling you how it is.”
Christopher Elledge • Dec 7, 2008 at 9:55 am
Harper…”if only Christopher, you reminded yourself of why it exists before writing an opinion. Your elected representatives know better than falling for uneducated voters who shout and cry for rapid democratic change. Of course it takes time that’s a no brainer. They don’t want a revolution or they lose power.” That as you put it is a “no brainer.” The whole point of me writing the editorial was to spark interest and to rant, which it has obviously done. It simply was an opinion which some people have taken way too far. Also, comparing my laughing with a physically disabled person is taking it to the extreme. I found it kind of ironic how undeclared? was labeling me as some uneducated student who has “no passion” or “experience” when undeclared? struggles to write a legible comment, and that doesn’t just mean the typos but the overall content. I couldn’t help but laugh. And if you can recall, undeclared? started his first opinion by attacking the writer instead of the message and he went on to do so in every comment that followed. I think undeclared? changed the tone of the argument with that first comment he made. It also appears that you like to attack the writer as you wrote…”the sad thing is people write opinions believing uneducated people shouldn’t vote.” Maybe you missed that but hey, “I’m just telling you how it is.”
Christopher Elledge • Dec 7, 2008 at 9:55 am
Harper…”if only Christopher, you reminded yourself of why it exists before writing an opinion. Your elected representatives know better than falling for uneducated voters who shout and cry for rapid democratic change. Of course it takes time that’s a no brainer. They don’t want a revolution or they lose power.” That as you put it is a “no brainer.” The whole point of me writing the editorial was to spark interest and to rant, which it has obviously done. It simply was an opinion which some people have taken way too far. Also, comparing my laughing with a physically disabled person is taking it to the extreme. I found it kind of ironic how undeclared? was labeling me as some uneducated student who has “no passion” or “experience” when undeclared? struggles to write a legible comment, and that doesn’t just mean the typos but the overall content. I couldn’t help but laugh. And if you can recall, undeclared? started his first opinion by attacking the writer instead of the message and he went on to do so in every comment that followed. I think undeclared? changed the tone of the argument with that first comment he made. It also appears that you like to attack the writer as you wrote…”the sad thing is people write opinions believing uneducated people shouldn’t vote.” Maybe you missed that but hey, “I’m just telling you how it is.”
Jared Harper • Dec 7, 2008 at 1:32 am
I have watched this string of comments go back and forth. It has been silly but interesting. This comment is for both of you. First Undeclared ? has strong points mentioning Electoral College. If only Christopher, you reminded yourself of why it exists before writing an opinion. Your elected representatives know better than falling for uneducated voters who shout and cry for rapid democratic change. Of course it takes time that’s a no brainer. They don’t want a revolution or they lose power. Second, I see the conversation turned to a battle of the brains, yet it seems you had the lesser Chris. Let me explain. You couldn’t respond to Undeclared with any more intelligible argument therefore you had to resort to low blows calling him out on bad typos. Not to mention you think it’s funny (like laughing at a physically disabled person who walks differently yet they are actually walking just not in your able bodied eyes) Humans making simple typos doesn’t equal a lesser intelligence. People tend to change the tone of an argument in way that you have in order to stray from the fact that you lost the battle. It’s a psychological defense that humans use to stray from the truth. You attack the messenger instead of the message and im just “telling you how it isâ€Â
Oh yes and K Hope, I agree, democracy died long ago. Actually I don̢۪t believe this country ever had one, but don̢۪t quote me on that (someone actually might). The sad thing is people write opinions believing uneducated people shouldn̢۪t vote. I digress from that ideology and feel citizens are miseducated because they don̢۪t realize they give up so much power in a Republic. Had we a real democracy the masses might have more access to their resources and have the ability to be better educated.
Jared Harper • Dec 7, 2008 at 8:32 am
I have watched this string of comments go back and forth. It has been silly but interesting. This comment is for both of you. First Undeclared ? has strong points mentioning Electoral College. If only Christopher, you reminded yourself of why it exists before writing an opinion. Your elected representatives know better than falling for uneducated voters who shout and cry for rapid democratic change. Of course it takes time that’s a no brainer. They don’t want a revolution or they lose power. Second, I see the conversation turned to a battle of the brains, yet it seems you had the lesser Chris. Let me explain. You couldn’t respond to Undeclared with any more intelligible argument therefore you had to resort to low blows calling him out on bad typos. Not to mention you think it’s funny (like laughing at a physically disabled person who walks differently yet they are actually walking just not in your able bodied eyes) Humans making simple typos doesn’t equal a lesser intelligence. People tend to change the tone of an argument in way that you have in order to stray from the fact that you lost the battle. It’s a psychological defense that humans use to stray from the truth. You attack the messenger instead of the message and im just “telling you how it is”
Oh yes and K Hope, I agree, democracy died long ago. Actually I don’t believe this country ever had one, but don’t quote me on that (someone actually might). The sad thing is people write opinions believing uneducated people shouldn’t vote. I digress from that ideology and feel citizens are miseducated because they don’t realize they give up so much power in a Republic. Had we a real democracy the masses might have more access to their resources and have the ability to be better educated.
Jared Harper • Dec 7, 2008 at 8:32 am
I have watched this string of comments go back and forth. It has been silly but interesting. This comment is for both of you. First Undeclared ? has strong points mentioning Electoral College. If only Christopher, you reminded yourself of why it exists before writing an opinion. Your elected representatives know better than falling for uneducated voters who shout and cry for rapid democratic change. Of course it takes time that’s a no brainer. They don’t want a revolution or they lose power. Second, I see the conversation turned to a battle of the brains, yet it seems you had the lesser Chris. Let me explain. You couldn’t respond to Undeclared with any more intelligible argument therefore you had to resort to low blows calling him out on bad typos. Not to mention you think it’s funny (like laughing at a physically disabled person who walks differently yet they are actually walking just not in your able bodied eyes) Humans making simple typos doesn’t equal a lesser intelligence. People tend to change the tone of an argument in way that you have in order to stray from the fact that you lost the battle. It’s a psychological defense that humans use to stray from the truth. You attack the messenger instead of the message and im just “telling you how it is”
Oh yes and K Hope, I agree, democracy died long ago. Actually I don’t believe this country ever had one, but don’t quote me on that (someone actually might). The sad thing is people write opinions believing uneducated people shouldn’t vote. I digress from that ideology and feel citizens are miseducated because they don’t realize they give up so much power in a Republic. Had we a real democracy the masses might have more access to their resources and have the ability to be better educated.
Christopher Elledge • Dec 6, 2008 at 6:38 pm
HAHAHA!!! Thanks again for the good laugh. I didn’t mention the electoral college because I thought that I would not have to, but since you seem so keen on TRYING to make another insightful comment, go right ahead. At least this time around it was almost legible. Maybe you should do some studying on your own, that way you can actually have a decent comment. Some advice for the next time you try and comment on something…learn how to read, write, spell, and actually comment on what the writer wrote, not on whatever you can think of to try and make yourself look smart. I am done here, unless you want to keep on entertaining and providing me with a good laugh.
Christopher Elledge • Dec 7, 2008 at 1:38 am
HAHAHA!!! Thanks again for the good laugh. I didn’t mention the electoral college because I thought that I would not have to, but since you seem so keen on TRYING to make another insightful comment, go right ahead. At least this time around it was almost legible. Maybe you should do some studying on your own, that way you can actually have a decent comment. Some advice for the next time you try and comment on something…learn how to read, write, spell, and actually comment on what the writer wrote, not on whatever you can think of to try and make yourself look smart. I am done here, unless you want to keep on entertaining and providing me with a good laugh.
Christopher Elledge • Dec 7, 2008 at 1:38 am
HAHAHA!!! Thanks again for the good laugh. I didn’t mention the electoral college because I thought that I would not have to, but since you seem so keen on TRYING to make another insightful comment, go right ahead. At least this time around it was almost legible. Maybe you should do some studying on your own, that way you can actually have a decent comment. Some advice for the next time you try and comment on something…learn how to read, write, spell, and actually comment on what the writer wrote, not on whatever you can think of to try and make yourself look smart. I am done here, unless you want to keep on entertaining and providing me with a good laugh.
K Hope • Dec 6, 2008 at 1:27 pm
The Electoral College? Now that is something we dont hear about too often until election night. How would anyone forget the Electoral College? Uneducated voters? Dont worry the Republic will take care of them. Is it just me or do far too many people think we have a Democracy when all we really have is a Republic?
K Hope • Dec 6, 2008 at 8:27 pm
The Electoral College? Now that is something we dont hear about too often until election night. How would anyone forget the Electoral College? Uneducated voters? Dont worry the Republic will take care of them. Is it just me or do far too many people think we have a Democracy when all we really have is a Republic?
K Hope • Dec 6, 2008 at 8:27 pm
The Electoral College? Now that is something we dont hear about too often until election night. How would anyone forget the Electoral College? Uneducated voters? Dont worry the Republic will take care of them. Is it just me or do far too many people think we have a Democracy when all we really have is a Republic?
undecalred ? • Dec 6, 2008 at 1:18 pm
poor poor, CHRISTOPHER ELLEDGE….little do you know that your wish was already granted long ago when the founding fathers wrote the documents to govern this country. That is why we have the electoral college.
Remember from 8th grade? i think we all learned about this….unless you were sleeping in class, which i know i did often.
Our vote means nothing when selecting presidents. The ELECTORAL COLLEGE supresses and acknowledges the fact that there are too many uneducated voters out there. Had you known how voting truly works, you would have no reason to think uneducated people should not vote.
Oh yeah and it was a laugh, it is common sense that people vote for the candidate in which they think will provide the best change for them i hope we all did that this year, but in regards to OBAMA and the ELECTORAL COLLEGE what i meant by that statement is that OBAMA seemed to be the candidate that could make that change happen for BOTH parties, this is why he won the most electoral college votes. The majority in the EC realized that if there is to be any change for both, OBAMA would make it happen.
unless you have anything more to say that you can already find your answer to should you just do some simple studying and research im done teaching you……
undecalred ? • Dec 6, 2008 at 8:18 pm
poor poor, CHRISTOPHER ELLEDGE….little do you know that your wish was already granted long ago when the founding fathers wrote the documents to govern this country. That is why we have the electoral college.
Remember from 8th grade? i think we all learned about this….unless you were sleeping in class, which i know i did often.
Our vote means nothing when selecting presidents. The ELECTORAL COLLEGE supresses and acknowledges the fact that there are too many uneducated voters out there. Had you known how voting truly works, you would have no reason to think uneducated people should not vote.
Oh yeah and it was a laugh, it is common sense that people vote for the candidate in which they think will provide the best change for them i hope we all did that this year, but in regards to OBAMA and the ELECTORAL COLLEGE what i meant by that statement is that OBAMA seemed to be the candidate that could make that change happen for BOTH parties, this is why he won the most electoral college votes. The majority in the EC realized that if there is to be any change for both, OBAMA would make it happen.
unless you have anything more to say that you can already find your answer to should you just do some simple studying and research im done teaching you……
undecalred ? • Dec 6, 2008 at 8:18 pm
poor poor, CHRISTOPHER ELLEDGE….little do you know that your wish was already granted long ago when the founding fathers wrote the documents to govern this country. That is why we have the electoral college.
Remember from 8th grade? i think we all learned about this….unless you were sleeping in class, which i know i did often.
Our vote means nothing when selecting presidents. The ELECTORAL COLLEGE supresses and acknowledges the fact that there are too many uneducated voters out there. Had you known how voting truly works, you would have no reason to think uneducated people should not vote.
Oh yeah and it was a laugh, it is common sense that people vote for the candidate in which they think will provide the best change for them i hope we all did that this year, but in regards to OBAMA and the ELECTORAL COLLEGE what i meant by that statement is that OBAMA seemed to be the candidate that could make that change happen for BOTH parties, this is why he won the most electoral college votes. The majority in the EC realized that if there is to be any change for both, OBAMA would make it happen.
unless you have anything more to say that you can already find your answer to should you just do some simple studying and research im done teaching you……
Christopher Elledge • Dec 6, 2008 at 1:16 am
Hey undeclared?…thanks for the good laugh. I found it amusing that you went as far as to say that people vote for the candidate in which they think will provide the best change for them. This is common sense. Yet again, you “missed the pointâ€Â of my editorial. I am tired of ignorant people creating false ideas about what Obama will be able to do. I am tired of people holding Obama up to such a high standard and thinking of him as some kind of saviour. What will these so called citizens say when Obama does not do everything that they dream of? Why should these voters have pride in their own false ideas that they think up? Obama captured my vote but not because of some false idea that I created in my mind that he would somehow magically be able to do. I know that all the problems that our nation is facing will not be resolved instantly when he takes office in January. I do expect Obama to provide some needed change to our nation but I know that he will not be able to fix everything. I know he will go through struggles just like any other president but the uneducated who voted for him do not know this. Obama was clearly the better candidate and could have easily won without all those uneducated votes which were based off of their own false ideas. The uneducated should have no voice because in the end, they know nothing.
Christopher Elledge • Dec 6, 2008 at 8:16 am
Hey undeclared?…thanks for the good laugh. I found it amusing that you went as far as to say that people vote for the candidate in which they think will provide the best change for them. This is common sense. Yet again, you “missed the point” of my editorial. I am tired of ignorant people creating false ideas about what Obama will be able to do. I am tired of people holding Obama up to such a high standard and thinking of him as some kind of saviour. What will these so called citizens say when Obama does not do everything that they dream of? Why should these voters have pride in their own false ideas that they think up? Obama captured my vote but not because of some false idea that I created in my mind that he would somehow magically be able to do. I know that all the problems that our nation is facing will not be resolved instantly when he takes office in January. I do expect Obama to provide some needed change to our nation but I know that he will not be able to fix everything. I know he will go through struggles just like any other president but the uneducated who voted for him do not know this. Obama was clearly the better candidate and could have easily won without all those uneducated votes which were based off of their own false ideas. The uneducated should have no voice because in the end, they know nothing.
Jiggallo Jim • Dec 5, 2008 at 8:58 pm
True Obama ran a stellar and picture perfect campaign. His policies are scary, but maybe he has transcended the two party mindframe that has demaged this nation under the Clinton and Bush monarchy.
Jiggallo Jim • Dec 6, 2008 at 3:58 am
True Obama ran a stellar and picture perfect campaign. His policies are scary, but maybe he has transcended the two party mindframe that has demaged this nation under the Clinton and Bush monarchy.
Undeclared ? • Dec 5, 2008 at 5:42 pm
CHRISTOPHER ELLEDGE…..
in regards to you believing i was unable to analyze your simple editorial, well i did.
Now your taking it elsewhere. You clearly mentioned OBAMA’s name giving your opinion a connection to what your belief about uneducated voters.
You may not have clearly bad mouthed him but your bad mouthing the voters who voted for him…..
“I’m tired of hearing so many ignorant people shout and scream that all their problems are going to go away just because Barack Obama won the presidential election”…
and since he won the election which goes againts what i assume you belive should have been the victor, it can be assumed you are boud mouthing OBAMA because those who voted for him are uneducated therefore OBAMA is a miseducated leading President right?
Now back to the point i was trying to make…..you are tired and annoyed Ok so be it. But you still didnt understand what i was saying as to why these people are enabled to do so and with much pride. Because Obama clearly had this strategy down in his campaign and people tend to vote for the person that seems most likely to create the change they are seeking. And while you may be tired of it, and it bothers me too, im not complaining. i actually commend those who figured out how to do it. more powere to them.
Undeclared ? • Dec 6, 2008 at 12:42 am
CHRISTOPHER ELLEDGE…..
in regards to you believing i was unable to analyze your simple editorial, well i did.
Now your taking it elsewhere. You clearly mentioned OBAMA’s name giving your opinion a connection to what your belief about uneducated voters.
You may not have clearly bad mouthed him but your bad mouthing the voters who voted for him…..
“I’m tired of hearing so many ignorant people shout and scream that all their problems are going to go away just because Barack Obama won the presidential election”…
and since he won the election which goes againts what i assume you belive should have been the victor, it can be assumed you are boud mouthing OBAMA because those who voted for him are uneducated therefore OBAMA is a miseducated leading President right?
Now back to the point i was trying to make…..you are tired and annoyed Ok so be it. But you still didnt understand what i was saying as to why these people are enabled to do so and with much pride. Because Obama clearly had this strategy down in his campaign and people tend to vote for the person that seems most likely to create the change they are seeking. And while you may be tired of it, and it bothers me too, im not complaining. i actually commend those who figured out how to do it. more powere to them.
junior • Dec 5, 2008 at 11:16 am
Sassafrass,
When you say Islamic extremism is the ‘threat of our time,’ what do you mean by that exactly?
junior • Dec 5, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Sassafrass,
When you say Islamic extremism is the ‘threat of our time,’ what do you mean by that exactly?
Sassafrass • Dec 5, 2008 at 12:53 am
Obama is a threat to democracy and the American way of life. It’s no surprise that this country had until Obama never elected or community activist/advocate to be Commander-in-Chief.
I seriously hope Obama is capable of making tough foreign policy decisions—-the willingness to use force for example——his background hailing from the far-left tradition of community activism, his failure to name Islamic extremism as ‘the’ threat of our time, makes me think otherwise.
Sassafrass • Dec 5, 2008 at 7:53 am
Obama is a threat to democracy and the American way of life. It’s no surprise that this country had until Obama never elected or community activist/advocate to be Commander-in-Chief.
I seriously hope Obama is capable of making tough foreign policy decisions—-the willingness to use force for example——his background hailing from the far-left tradition of community activism, his failure to name Islamic extremism as ‘the’ threat of our time, makes me think otherwise.
Christopher Elledge • Dec 5, 2008 at 12:36 am
To whom it may concern regarding the comment made about my editorial…thank you for proving my point that the uneducated should not vote. YOU clearly misread my editorial. If you notice, I did not once bad mouth Obama but the false ideas that the uneducated voters have created surrounding the president-elect. My editorial was based on the uneducated voters and not the presidential candidates. It is people like you that I am afraid of when it comes time to vote. You could not even analyze a simple editorial so who knows if you can comprehend anything about politics. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about in the comment that you made. Along with many grammatical and spelling errors your comment was hot and cold and in the end, made no sense. To top things off, you say that my opinion holds no value because I said that my major was undeclared, when in reality I just did not want to mention what it is. If you are in dire need to know it is accounting. It seems to me that you are the “underagedâ€Â and “inexperiencedâ€Â person that should consider becoming more educated. By the way, “I am just calling it how it is.â€Â
Christopher Elledge • Dec 5, 2008 at 7:36 am
To whom it may concern regarding the comment made about my editorial…thank you for proving my point that the uneducated should not vote. YOU clearly misread my editorial. If you notice, I did not once bad mouth Obama but the false ideas that the uneducated voters have created surrounding the president-elect. My editorial was based on the uneducated voters and not the presidential candidates. It is people like you that I am afraid of when it comes time to vote. You could not even analyze a simple editorial so who knows if you can comprehend anything about politics. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about in the comment that you made. Along with many grammatical and spelling errors your comment was hot and cold and in the end, made no sense. To top things off, you say that my opinion holds no value because I said that my major was undeclared, when in reality I just did not want to mention what it is. If you are in dire need to know it is accounting. It seems to me that you are the “underaged” and “inexperienced” person that should consider becoming more educated. By the way, “I am just calling it how it is.”
jared harper • Dec 3, 2008 at 10:49 pm
too funny
jared harper • Dec 4, 2008 at 5:49 am
too funny
Undeclared ? • Dec 3, 2008 at 5:13 am
ROCIO ORTIZ that is an excellent most awesome editorial you wrote ….by golly why werent there any ballots about education to vote on this year? you said:
“crime doesn’t just happen; crime is committed mainly by subjects that lack a good quality education”
you also said:
“Instead of investing in criminals and people who already are doomed to spend the rest of their lives in jail, we should focus and push for a better education system”
As a taxpayer of california im so glad to see you have spoken well for those of us who believe in more education and more schools, not more prisons and more police officers, and parole agents or victim counselors. Im also so glad to see you could say such a thing yet major in such a complete and opposite career……are you kidding me?
crime also happens because we dont have enough citizens to support and go into teaching. if you feel so passionate about education and ballots, then become a teacher or an educator for educations sake. To change majors on campus you just go directly to the Joyal buidling and get a form to change major from CRIM to EDUCATION (with the proper signatures of course). And after you do that and go into education, to get something on the ballot you just form a group to gather signatures (depending what type of initiative) and then you vote for that change in education.
nuf said
Undeclared ? • Dec 3, 2008 at 12:13 pm
ROCIO ORTIZ that is an excellent most awesome editorial you wrote ….by golly why werent there any ballots about education to vote on this year? you said:
“crime doesn’t just happen; crime is committed mainly by subjects that lack a good quality education”
you also said:
“Instead of investing in criminals and people who already are doomed to spend the rest of their lives in jail, we should focus and push for a better education system”
As a taxpayer of california im so glad to see you have spoken well for those of us who believe in more education and more schools, not more prisons and more police officers, and parole agents or victim counselors. Im also so glad to see you could say such a thing yet major in such a complete and opposite career……are you kidding me?
crime also happens because we dont have enough citizens to support and go into teaching. if you feel so passionate about education and ballots, then become a teacher or an educator for educations sake. To change majors on campus you just go directly to the Joyal buidling and get a form to change major from CRIM to EDUCATION (with the proper signatures of course). And after you do that and go into education, to get something on the ballot you just form a group to gather signatures (depending what type of initiative) and then you vote for that change in education.
nuf said
Undeclared ? • Dec 3, 2008 at 4:58 am
CHRISTOPHER ELLEDGE
….you should first declare a major, study it and then realize that your opinion might hold some weight if you acutally studied something with a passion.
I cant stand Obama either but you miss the whole point of the political game.
First, Obama was obviously the lesser of the two evils. You cant cry and shout and say Obama is not the one when it was either him or Mccain with Palin and please dont reply on here publicly that she would be a better leader cause she showed in her TV time she wasnt.
Second the way politics work is that even though you may not agree with the popular views of the president now, those who do seek change voted for obama because he politcally seems the one that many citizens can appeal to for any type of change.
Even though problems wont go away wit obama, he made himself seem the candidate most liekly to do that, and that is why he was favored. I even have to give him credit, he knew the right way to do things.
So when your a little more aged and educated about why so many citizens are feeling that way then you should talk. and be allowed to vote by your standards. And i am in no way endorsing him either, i am just calling it how it is and that is what happened.
Undeclared ? • Dec 3, 2008 at 11:58 am
CHRISTOPHER ELLEDGE
….you should first declare a major, study it and then realize that your opinion might hold some weight if you acutally studied something with a passion.
I cant stand Obama either but you miss the whole point of the political game.
First, Obama was obviously the lesser of the two evils. You cant cry and shout and say Obama is not the one when it was either him or Mccain with Palin and please dont reply on here publicly that she would be a better leader cause she showed in her TV time she wasnt.
Second the way politics work is that even though you may not agree with the popular views of the president now, those who do seek change voted for obama because he politcally seems the one that many citizens can appeal to for any type of change.
Even though problems wont go away wit obama, he made himself seem the candidate most liekly to do that, and that is why he was favored. I even have to give him credit, he knew the right way to do things.
So when your a little more aged and educated about why so many citizens are feeling that way then you should talk. and be allowed to vote by your standards. And i am in no way endorsing him either, i am just calling it how it is and that is what happened.