Student section seating for WAC schools
Compared to other Western Athletic Conference schools, Fresno State looks to have some of the most disappointing student seating at home football games.
While being seated close to one of the most dramatic entrance spots in the WAC may have its advantages, students might wonder if the location was chosen with their best interests in mind — or just as a simple solution.
According to The Collegian’s analysis of WAC stadiums, Fresno State has the third lowest percentage of student seating available in the conference. Fresno State is one of only two schools that consistently charges students for admission; most WAC schools give their students tickets for free. Fresno State also has what some students consider a poor seating location — on the south end corner, more than half a football field away from the 50-yard line.
Bulldog Stadium, which has been recognized as one of the most aesthetically pleasing stadiums in the conference, has some of the best student support in the region. Known as one of the toughest places for visiting teams to win, Bulldog Stadium is known throughout the WAC for its supportive students and their passionate cheering.
In 2005, after ongoing complaints about objects being thrown onto the field by students and home-team fans throughout the conference, all WAC student sections, if positioned behind the visiting team̢۪s bench, had to be relocated.
That’s where the analysis of student seating at Bulldog Stadium — and whether or not it favors students — begins.
Thomas Boeh, who has been athletic director at Fresno State for four years, feels that the student seating at Bulldog Stadium was located in the next best place after the WAC rule change.
“We tried to get the students as close to the tunnel as we could,â€Â Boeh said. “We thought they would like to be seated closest to where the players entered the field.â€Â
Assistant Athletic Director Paul Ladwig also noted that the stadium’s seating options were limited because of regular season ticket holders and longtime “personal seat licenseâ€Â ticket holders, or PSLs.
“After regarding season ticket holders, the next available open general place was the south end zone,â€Â Ladwig said.
In a 2004 interview with The Collegian, before the WAC ruling became official, head coach Pat Hill said that if relocating the student section did become mandatory, he would rather switch sidelines than see the students have to move.
Hill̢۪s idea to switch sidelines didn̢۪t happen. If it had, the student section at Fresno State might have been a little more comparable to other WAC schools.
Aggie Memorial Stadium, the home field for New Mexico State, has a capacity of 40,000 — only 1,031 seats less than Fresno State. Aggie Memorial Stadium allots 11.2 percent of its seating for students, which is more than the 9.7 percent that comprises student seating at Bulldog Stadium.
New Mexico State students get prime seating behind the home team and the band, while Fresno State students sit in a corner nearly 100 yards away from the band.
According to Boeh, Bulldog Stadium̢۪s setup is closer to that of Bronco Stadium at Boise State. But still, according to The Collegian̢۪s comparison, there are differences.
Boise State gives its students four full sections, spanning from the north end zone to the 50-yard-line, and a total of 5,000 seats. Boise offers 1,000 more student seats than Fresno State, even though Bronco Stadium has more than 10,000 fewer total seats than Bulldog Stadium. Plus, student admission is free.
Boeh said the university might consider future seating changes at Bulldog Stadium.
“The one thing that we don’t have now that we would like to have in the future, is the student section closer to the band,â€Â Boeh said. “There are as many stadium configurations as there are stadiums and right now we just don’t have the proper setup.â€Â
Boeh said that in order for the student section to be moved, even if to just be closer to the band, the stadium seating would have to be reconfigured. He isn̢۪t confident that a move would happen soon.
Besides seating location and the number of student seats, Fresno State also has the highest cost of game admission for its students.
When compared with the cost of public admission, which can range from $35 to $60 or higher, the $15 student price doesn̢۪t seem so bad. But when every other WAC school gets in to games for free or for $5 at most, Fresno State students have another significant disadvantage at home games.
Boeh said that while the student cost may seem high, there is more to it than just wanting to make money.
“The schools that have free admission get considerably more financial support from the students and the university than Fresno State does,â€Â Boeh said. “We generate about 80 percent of our budget, and because we have to generate the majority of our resources, we operate a program that’s business model is different from others.â€Â
Boeh said that the athletic department̢۪s budget setup, having less outside financial support than other WAC schools, is the main reason that Fresno State students are charged more.
“Our budget this year is approximately $25 million and we still have to generate about $20 million, which is roughly 80 percent,â€Â Boeh said. “If we only had to generate 20 percent, we wouldn’t have a charge either.â€Â
Whether the issue is seating location, number of seats or student prices, some Fresno State student football fans aren̢۪t excited.
Kiel Taylor, a senior civil engineering major, remembers when he first came to Fresno State and how great of an experience the football games were.
“I remember the student seating being unique and very important to the football program,â€Â Taylor said. “I don’t like the new spot. It’s dark over there and way away from the action of the game.â€Â
Text compiled by Melissa Knopp
Illustration by Michael Uribes, Juan Villa and Brandon Ocegueda / The Collegian
Sources: Ticketmaster and the web sites of WAC schools
Journalist • Jan 5, 2009 at 10:34 pm
“True dat. Collegian writers definitely have not done their research. Maybe if Fresno State paid a little more attention to their schooling instead of their sports programs, they would actually have decent publications.”
How can you say that collegian writers need to “pay a little more attention to their schooling,” when you start a sentence with, “true dat.” Take some more english classes.
Journalist • Jan 6, 2009 at 5:34 am
“True dat. Collegian writers definitely have not done their research. Maybe if Fresno State paid a little more attention to their schooling instead of their sports programs, they would actually have decent publications.”
How can you say that collegian writers need to “pay a little more attention to their schooling,” when you start a sentence with, “true dat.” Take some more english classes.
Collegian answer this? • Dec 29, 2008 at 2:52 am
hmmmm this all sounds odd, why are we bringin up old SHi%$ maybe its cause this type of news never gets old. Our university does suck, they make students pay for all the costly hidden fees that are supposedly providing “free” stuff. just like those dumb fresno bee newspapers that people think are free.
They are paid by our fees. I would argue that most students on this campus are ignorant. they could be more intelligent but they are rather ignorant. I bet next fall the campus will continue to try soooo hard to get students “involved” which is trying to get them to go to Fresno state games. Kick that old fart pat hill out and get someone who can deliver championships, maybe then students will go to games.
until then im stickin to the books.
Collegian answer this? • Dec 29, 2008 at 9:52 am
hmmmm this all sounds odd, why are we bringin up old SHi%$ maybe its cause this type of news never gets old. Our university does suck, they make students pay for all the costly hidden fees that are supposedly providing “free” stuff. just like those dumb fresno bee newspapers that people think are free.
They are paid by our fees. I would argue that most students on this campus are ignorant. they could be more intelligent but they are rather ignorant. I bet next fall the campus will continue to try soooo hard to get students “involved” which is trying to get them to go to Fresno state games. Kick that old fart pat hill out and get someone who can deliver championships, maybe then students will go to games.
until then im stickin to the books.
seriously • Dec 28, 2008 at 10:37 pm
^^True dat. Collegian writers definitely have not done their research. Maybe if Fresno State paid a little more attention to their schooling instead of their sports programs, they would actually have decent publications.
seriously • Dec 29, 2008 at 5:37 am
^^True dat. Collegian writers definitely have not done their research. Maybe if Fresno State paid a little more attention to their schooling instead of their sports programs, they would actually have decent publications.
Joseph Montana • Oct 5, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Frank has done his research. Collegian staff writers have not. Yet, the issue of location, location, location remains……..
Joseph Montana • Oct 6, 2008 at 12:25 am
Frank has done his research. Collegian staff writers have not. Yet, the issue of location, location, location remains……..
Jerry Rice • Oct 4, 2008 at 10:53 am
Actually the CSU system sill just cut back on services like they always do but the administrators will grant themselves a raise
Jerry Rice • Oct 4, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Actually the CSU system sill just cut back on services like they always do but the administrators will grant themselves a raise
Melinda • Oct 4, 2008 at 1:32 am
So then shouldnt there be a fee referendum to reduce the ridicluous fees that are taxed on us so we dont waste money on tickets nit being used?
i vote we have a fee referendum to take down these fees
Melinda • Oct 4, 2008 at 8:32 am
So then shouldnt there be a fee referendum to reduce the ridicluous fees that are taxed on us so we dont waste money on tickets nit being used?
i vote we have a fee referendum to take down these fees
Frank • Oct 3, 2008 at 1:41 pm
You guys miss the big picture though…the seats that are “free” at other schools are not really free. These other schools either have students that contribute MUCH more money to their respective Athletics departments than we do at Fresno State via exorbitant Associated Students and Athletics fees OR their state governments subsidize most of their athletics programs. Instead of getting their money through selling season tickets for football, these other schools get their money automatically through AS/Athletics fees charged to students every semester, rendering “free” seats. Don’t be fooled, guys. If you dig in and do some real research, you would find out that if we contributed the amount of money in Athletics fees that a school like SJSU does, our seats would be “free” as well. We are a Cal State school (1 of 23 in CSU, 1 of 34 UC/CSU) and that means we have to pay via fees for these “free” seats. Meanwhile in Utah, Nevada, Idaho, every other WAC school state, etc., these smaller states with only 2-3 schools to share the wealth with have money to distribute directly into state funded athletics programs to subsidize “free” seats (I encourage you to look into the NMSU program and state of New Mexico policies with regards to NMSU and UNM athletics..they give them EVERYTHING). Tack on another $60/semester to our fees to match SJSU’s or SDSU’s and you would get these mythical “free: seats.
Example:
With the passing of the Rec Center referrendum in 2000, included in that was 2,000 “free” tickets to the Save Mart Center for men’s basketball games. No, they are not free, students are paying for the seats in their West Complex/Rec Center fee every semester. Don’t you see? Students are paying for the licensing fees and tickets on these 2,000 “free” seats…and what is sad is the fact that we have only come close to filling all 2,000 seats only once in 4 years (see Stanford Winter White Out 2006).
Frank • Oct 3, 2008 at 8:41 pm
You guys miss the big picture though…the seats that are “free” at other schools are not really free. These other schools either have students that contribute MUCH more money to their respective Athletics departments than we do at Fresno State via exorbitant Associated Students and Athletics fees OR their state governments subsidize most of their athletics programs. Instead of getting their money through selling season tickets for football, these other schools get their money automatically through AS/Athletics fees charged to students every semester, rendering “free” seats. Don’t be fooled, guys. If you dig in and do some real research, you would find out that if we contributed the amount of money in Athletics fees that a school like SJSU does, our seats would be “free” as well. We are a Cal State school (1 of 23 in CSU, 1 of 34 UC/CSU) and that means we have to pay via fees for these “free” seats. Meanwhile in Utah, Nevada, Idaho, every other WAC school state, etc., these smaller states with only 2-3 schools to share the wealth with have money to distribute directly into state funded athletics programs to subsidize “free” seats (I encourage you to look into the NMSU program and state of New Mexico policies with regards to NMSU and UNM athletics..they give them EVERYTHING). Tack on another $60/semester to our fees to match SJSU’s or SDSU’s and you would get these mythical “free: seats.
Example:
With the passing of the Rec Center referrendum in 2000, included in that was 2,000 “free” tickets to the Save Mart Center for men’s basketball games. No, they are not free, students are paying for the seats in their West Complex/Rec Center fee every semester. Don’t you see? Students are paying for the licensing fees and tickets on these 2,000 “free” seats…and what is sad is the fact that we have only come close to filling all 2,000 seats only once in 4 years (see Stanford Winter White Out 2006).
Maybe • Oct 3, 2008 at 11:59 am
Maybe there is a good reason for them to do that. But me personally i think the seating should be more like Hawaii’s where the students are upfront near the action. Or at least closer to the middle of the field like the Utah.
Maybe • Oct 3, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Maybe there is a good reason for them to do that. But me personally i think the seating should be more like Hawaii’s where the students are upfront near the action. Or at least closer to the middle of the field like the Utah.
Chasen • Oct 3, 2008 at 10:09 am
The students section seating sucks…they basically put all the students in a corner away from everything…boooo
Chasen • Oct 3, 2008 at 5:09 pm
The students section seating sucks…they basically put all the students in a corner away from everything…boooo