The Collegian asks students about the messages of the preachers that frequent the Free Speech Area and their unorthodox ministry on campus.
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Andrew Holm • Sep 30, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Charles,
your view of the actions of Christians is rather flawed. You can correct me if I’m wrong, but since you did not clarify it, I assume that when you say “if something is too hard or you don̢۪t get it, pray for understanding, and everything is better” you are referring to academic questions such as math and other school related things.
I’m not sure where you got this notion that Christians only pray for understanding rather than taking actions such as studying or researching, but your notion is ignorant of the basic premises of Christianity…there are always consequences for our actions (or lack of action). This is a basic Christian premise and is the reason Pastor Anthony preaches that you can’t live in sin and be a Christian. So if one were to not understand something on a test or in a math class, there is nothing wrong with them praying for understanding (the Bible tells Christians to ask God for wisdom in James 1:5), but no Christian I know is going to think that they are going to do well in a class just by praying to do well and not studying at all. Before you cite “Christian approaches to dealing with lack of understanding,” please be sure to get all of your facts straight.
Also, what do you mean by HIS (Pastor Anthony’s) interpretation of the Bible? Doesn’t he read straight out of the Bible when he is preaching? The Bible is plain and repetitive about fornicators, homosexuals, drunkards (Galatians 5:19-21, Romans 1:29-32, I Corinthians 6:9-10, ) Read the verses…homosexuals, drunkards and fornicators are not Christians and will not go to heaven. How much more plainly can it be put? Pastor Anthony is not privately interpreting the Bible…he is preaching what it says….its up to you to believe it or not. You can disagree with his method all you want ( though it IS Biblically endorsed), but his message is straight out of the Bible.
Andrew Holm • Sep 30, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Charles,
your view of the actions of Christians is rather flawed. You can correct me if I’m wrong, but since you did not clarify it, I assume that when you say “if something is too hard or you don’t get it, pray for understanding, and everything is better” you are referring to academic questions such as math and other school related things.
I’m not sure where you got this notion that Christians only pray for understanding rather than taking actions such as studying or researching, but your notion is ignorant of the basic premises of Christianity…there are always consequences for our actions (or lack of action). This is a basic Christian premise and is the reason Pastor Anthony preaches that you can’t live in sin and be a Christian. So if one were to not understand something on a test or in a math class, there is nothing wrong with them praying for understanding (the Bible tells Christians to ask God for wisdom in James 1:5), but no Christian I know is going to think that they are going to do well in a class just by praying to do well and not studying at all. Before you cite “Christian approaches to dealing with lack of understanding,” please be sure to get all of your facts straight.
Also, what do you mean by HIS (Pastor Anthony’s) interpretation of the Bible? Doesn’t he read straight out of the Bible when he is preaching? The Bible is plain and repetitive about fornicators, homosexuals, drunkards (Galatians 5:19-21, Romans 1:29-32, I Corinthians 6:9-10, ) Read the verses…homosexuals, drunkards and fornicators are not Christians and will not go to heaven. How much more plainly can it be put? Pastor Anthony is not privately interpreting the Bible…he is preaching what it says….its up to you to believe it or not. You can disagree with his method all you want ( though it IS Biblically endorsed), but his message is straight out of the Bible.
Andrew Holm • Sep 28, 2008 at 5:13 pm
dw,
I never said you were not free to believe whatever you choose. One is free to believe that matter is actually composed of small leprechauns rather than atoms…being free to believe something does not mean that what they believe is right. Say I were to try to tell you the truth about atoms composing matter…would I be labeled as intolerant? Of course not. So why is there such a big fuss about Pastor Munoz preaching on campus? Your being free to choose what to believe is the very reason that he is on campus…if you were bound to believe a certain thing with no hope of change, there would be no point in his coming and preaching to students.
If someone was in a burning building and didn’t know it or if someone was walking on a train trestle and didn’t realize that a train was coming, according to your definition, it would be hate speech to tell them that they are about to be hurt or killed if they continue in the state they are in. Are you serious??? No matter what beliefs (if any) that you have, if you look from Pastor Munoz’s perspective, this is the very opposite of hate speech.
What people always overlook when criticizing Pastor Munoz is that the end of the message is never that all the students on campus are going to hell and there is nothing they can do about it…on the contrary, this is actually a message of hope, for there is forgiveness and redemption for those who change their ways and live free from sin.
No one is going to change unless they first see that there is a reason to change. If it were true (and I believe it is true) that people who do not accept Christ and live in contradiction to the Bible are going to be punished at the end of their lives, then Pastor Munoz is in fact trying to save your life. Is that such a hateful thing to do? I think not.
Andrew Holm • Sep 29, 2008 at 12:13 am
dw,
I never said you were not free to believe whatever you choose. One is free to believe that matter is actually composed of small leprechauns rather than atoms…being free to believe something does not mean that what they believe is right. Say I were to try to tell you the truth about atoms composing matter…would I be labeled as intolerant? Of course not. So why is there such a big fuss about Pastor Munoz preaching on campus? Your being free to choose what to believe is the very reason that he is on campus…if you were bound to believe a certain thing with no hope of change, there would be no point in his coming and preaching to students.
If someone was in a burning building and didn’t know it or if someone was walking on a train trestle and didn’t realize that a train was coming, according to your definition, it would be hate speech to tell them that they are about to be hurt or killed if they continue in the state they are in. Are you serious??? No matter what beliefs (if any) that you have, if you look from Pastor Munoz’s perspective, this is the very opposite of hate speech.
What people always overlook when criticizing Pastor Munoz is that the end of the message is never that all the students on campus are going to hell and there is nothing they can do about it…on the contrary, this is actually a message of hope, for there is forgiveness and redemption for those who change their ways and live free from sin.
No one is going to change unless they first see that there is a reason to change. If it were true (and I believe it is true) that people who do not accept Christ and live in contradiction to the Bible are going to be punished at the end of their lives, then Pastor Munoz is in fact trying to save your life. Is that such a hateful thing to do? I think not.
Charles W. Frank, "Chip" • Sep 28, 2008 at 9:45 am
Holm,
For the record, I didn’t ask you to justify yourself, your beliefs, or your choice of religion – that’s a commonly made mistake when someone of a religious faith is confronted with questions as such (predictable in a fashion).
I wasn’t asking for justification. I’m NOT going to question YOUR faith. Rather, I like to plant evil little thought seeds in the minds of the religious. That’s my mischievous side coming forth to serve a purpose … I LOVE to question people who follow blindly. One of the downsides of simply ‘having faith,’ is that it sort-of defeats the purpose of education, after a fashion … if something is too hard or you don’t get it, pray for understanding, and everything is better (this is a primarily Christian approach to dealing with lack of understanding). And, if you never gain this understanding, or make a habit of turning to “faith” rather than seeking answers, using a brain that supposedly god gave you (made in his eye), then you reinforce a disability which furthers ignorance.
If you have faith, it’s up to you … but don’t use it as a crutch to make excuses and be blind in the name of blind-faith.
But, if you have faith … in whatever … seriously ask yourself … Is the way this Pastor Anthony guy approaching people at CSUF a good and positive methodology? I think not. If you can’t see his intentionally antagonistic behavior on its face, for attempting to call people out on what HE sees wrong (per HIS interpretation of the bible)?
Like I said … I think it is enough to be a good person. I talk crap about what to do about the guy’s antagonistic behavior. I won’t do crap unless he attacks me personally while walking by one day. I mind my own business, and so long as I’m left to my business and not bothered, all I do is laugh and humor what I see as a small mind making a fool of himself. I do not think antagonizing people, in public, is productive, positive or good. I don’t get up there and preach my message, such as what I’ve written here. I could easily justify and preach that religion breeds weak minds … but I don’t do this, and I don’t attempt to antagonize people … rather, I seek to ask questions of myself and others to think, and become stronger of heart and mind.
And I have never said that I don’t have faith in something (or other) …
Charles W. Frank, "Chip" • Sep 28, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Holm,
For the record, I didn’t ask you to justify yourself, your beliefs, or your choice of religion – that’s a commonly made mistake when someone of a religious faith is confronted with questions as such (predictable in a fashion).
I wasn’t asking for justification. I’m NOT going to question YOUR faith. Rather, I like to plant evil little thought seeds in the minds of the religious. That’s my mischievous side coming forth to serve a purpose … I LOVE to question people who follow blindly. One of the downsides of simply ‘having faith,’ is that it sort-of defeats the purpose of education, after a fashion … if something is too hard or you don’t get it, pray for understanding, and everything is better (this is a primarily Christian approach to dealing with lack of understanding). And, if you never gain this understanding, or make a habit of turning to “faith” rather than seeking answers, using a brain that supposedly god gave you (made in his eye), then you reinforce a disability which furthers ignorance.
If you have faith, it’s up to you … but don’t use it as a crutch to make excuses and be blind in the name of blind-faith.
But, if you have faith … in whatever … seriously ask yourself … Is the way this Pastor Anthony guy approaching people at CSUF a good and positive methodology? I think not. If you can’t see his intentionally antagonistic behavior on its face, for attempting to call people out on what HE sees wrong (per HIS interpretation of the bible)?
Like I said … I think it is enough to be a good person. I talk crap about what to do about the guy’s antagonistic behavior. I won’t do crap unless he attacks me personally while walking by one day. I mind my own business, and so long as I’m left to my business and not bothered, all I do is laugh and humor what I see as a small mind making a fool of himself. I do not think antagonizing people, in public, is productive, positive or good. I don’t get up there and preach my message, such as what I’ve written here. I could easily justify and preach that religion breeds weak minds … but I don’t do this, and I don’t attempt to antagonize people … rather, I seek to ask questions of myself and others to think, and become stronger of heart and mind.
And I have never said that I don’t have faith in something (or other) …
dw • Sep 28, 2008 at 9:20 am
Yes, Andrew, you are free to believe whatever you chose to. However, your ilk of “Christianist” fails to understand that, like you, we are free to believe whatever we chose to also. And, that in this country, Christians don’t rule. We are also free to draw boundaries of what is civil and acceptable public behavior. If students don’t want Brother Anthony on campus, then he should be ejected, forcibly if need be. He preaches hate, which trumps any free speech rights he might have.
In 1979 and 1980, students reached their breaking point with what they found as unacceptable behavior from Iranian students on campus. When speaking out didn’t work, things escalated. A few broken noses sure got the point across very quickly.
dw • Sep 28, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Yes, Andrew, you are free to believe whatever you chose to. However, your ilk of “Christianist” fails to understand that, like you, we are free to believe whatever we chose to also. And, that in this country, Christians don’t rule. We are also free to draw boundaries of what is civil and acceptable public behavior. If students don’t want Brother Anthony on campus, then he should be ejected, forcibly if need be. He preaches hate, which trumps any free speech rights he might have.
In 1979 and 1980, students reached their breaking point with what they found as unacceptable behavior from Iranian students on campus. When speaking out didn’t work, things escalated. A few broken noses sure got the point across very quickly.
Andrew Holm • Sep 27, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Aiight, Charles, you get some answers. I have “self-educated” myself. I don’t believe what Pastor Anthony says is right just because he said it…I don’t blindly follow what people say. I have read and studied the Bible for most of my life, and while I may have borrowed from my parents some beliefs when I was a child, I have since formulated my own opinions and beliefs about what Pastor Anthony routinely preaches in the free speech area. I believe he is preaching the truth because he is preaching the Bible without all the watered down garbage that people have thrown into it today.
Now, about my choosing to be a Christian, please bear with me. I’m sure you’ll have some scientific excuse to try to discredit what I’m about to say, but does a satanist have anything to prove that their way of life is the way to live in this world? An atheist? A Buddhist? What has their god or leader done for them PERSONALLY to warrant their following him/her? Do they have friends who have came to church dead drunk, prayed, and in that instant got up sober? Do they have friends instantly delivered from drugs when they accepted Christ? I do. How do you explain that? My friend Doug had a car accident in which he was pronounced dead 7 different times (he has the death certificate with the each time of death crossed out and another one put down) but miraculously lived. He had such severe injuries, his optic nerve was almost severed and he was never going to talk again, but I just saw him yesterday and he is as healthy as ever and sees perfectly…please explain that too. (I’ll help you–he was healed by Jesus Christ)
I’m sure you know this already, but there is no way to pull me away from my religion unless you first make me forget how Jesus completely changed me and people I know from a sinner to a saint.
In conclusion Charles, I am being “a myself”….A Bible-believing Christian doing my best to follow Jesus Christ.
Andrew Holm • Sep 28, 2008 at 5:15 am
Aiight, Charles, you get some answers. I have “self-educated” myself. I don’t believe what Pastor Anthony says is right just because he said it…I don’t blindly follow what people say. I have read and studied the Bible for most of my life, and while I may have borrowed from my parents some beliefs when I was a child, I have since formulated my own opinions and beliefs about what Pastor Anthony routinely preaches in the free speech area. I believe he is preaching the truth because he is preaching the Bible without all the watered down garbage that people have thrown into it today.
Now, about my choosing to be a Christian, please bear with me. I’m sure you’ll have some scientific excuse to try to discredit what I’m about to say, but does a satanist have anything to prove that their way of life is the way to live in this world? An atheist? A Buddhist? What has their god or leader done for them PERSONALLY to warrant their following him/her? Do they have friends who have came to church dead drunk, prayed, and in that instant got up sober? Do they have friends instantly delivered from drugs when they accepted Christ? I do. How do you explain that? My friend Doug had a car accident in which he was pronounced dead 7 different times (he has the death certificate with the each time of death crossed out and another one put down) but miraculously lived. He had such severe injuries, his optic nerve was almost severed and he was never going to talk again, but I just saw him yesterday and he is as healthy as ever and sees perfectly…please explain that too. (I’ll help you–he was healed by Jesus Christ)
I’m sure you know this already, but there is no way to pull me away from my religion unless you first make me forget how Jesus completely changed me and people I know from a sinner to a saint.
In conclusion Charles, I am being “a myself”….A Bible-believing Christian doing my best to follow Jesus Christ.
Charles W. Frank • Sep 26, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Okay … well … aside from his one supporter here … doesn’t anybody feel sorry for the guy, thinking he has to wear a suit and tie (a social standard of dress, not something warranted in the bible, per se), in the bloody heat?
I do … a little … but that’s just cause I pitty his frame of mind.
I didn’t finish reading Holm’s first comment before (disgusted) … I just finished reading it … and I have a few questions to ask:: What if I read the Koran and don’t believe in Christianity. Am I a bad person? Am I going to hell? Weren’t three of the world’s 4 major religions from the same forefathers, and don’t all three of those religious texts acknowldge this point … and so which one is to call the other wrong (especially considering Christianity came from Judaism)? And so … if you blindly believe in god … where’s your interpretation of the ‘Bible,’ in relation to that of the ‘crazy preacher guy’ … or do you blindly follow a man rather than having blind faith in a (your) god?
No one knows what the afterlife holds. People (individuals) in another religion might believe the exact same, or they might (individually) have a greater tolerance, accepting that there is a higher power and that simply believing can bring the ‘salvation’ that these religions promise the faithful. I’d hate to be wrong … if Buddhism punished the lack of faithful, we’d come back as ants rather than a higher consciousness. One of the nasty things about pure black-and-white interpretation is what it does to someone psychologically … the inherent conflict built in with dogma, as well as attempting to live in a society that is so variable, balancing all of this nastiness.
So on interpretation alone … if you don’t follow this one guy’s interpretation or believe, he’s going to tell you that you’re going to hell, and you’re going to give in to his belief? What if someone else tells you something different … the next flavor of the next day? What if a satanist stands up there and preaches after he leaves? Believe that? Do you really believe you’re going to go to hell for not having faith in what others tell you (because you do make an active choice to believe in one person’s interpretation, or another, until you self-educate). So support this guy if you like, Holm … but beware the wrath of god if you follow the wrong message down the wrong path … it could mean hell … Which one do you believe?
Rather, I think it’s just enough to be a yourself (not a sick socialite or blind-faith-believer in ONE interpretation without waver or understanding of others – YOU, not someone else), and a good person to boot.
Again, enough from me!
Charles W. Frank • Sep 27, 2008 at 2:40 am
Okay … well … aside from his one supporter here … doesn’t anybody feel sorry for the guy, thinking he has to wear a suit and tie (a social standard of dress, not something warranted in the bible, per se), in the bloody heat?
I do … a little … but that’s just cause I pitty his frame of mind.
I didn’t finish reading Holm’s first comment before (disgusted) … I just finished reading it … and I have a few questions to ask:: What if I read the Koran and don’t believe in Christianity. Am I a bad person? Am I going to hell? Weren’t three of the world’s 4 major religions from the same forefathers, and don’t all three of those religious texts acknowldge this point … and so which one is to call the other wrong (especially considering Christianity came from Judaism)? And so … if you blindly believe in god … where’s your interpretation of the ‘Bible,’ in relation to that of the ‘crazy preacher guy’ … or do you blindly follow a man rather than having blind faith in a (your) god?
No one knows what the afterlife holds. People (individuals) in another religion might believe the exact same, or they might (individually) have a greater tolerance, accepting that there is a higher power and that simply believing can bring the ‘salvation’ that these religions promise the faithful. I’d hate to be wrong … if Buddhism punished the lack of faithful, we’d come back as ants rather than a higher consciousness. One of the nasty things about pure black-and-white interpretation is what it does to someone psychologically … the inherent conflict built in with dogma, as well as attempting to live in a society that is so variable, balancing all of this nastiness.
So on interpretation alone … if you don’t follow this one guy’s interpretation or believe, he’s going to tell you that you’re going to hell, and you’re going to give in to his belief? What if someone else tells you something different … the next flavor of the next day? What if a satanist stands up there and preaches after he leaves? Believe that? Do you really believe you’re going to go to hell for not having faith in what others tell you (because you do make an active choice to believe in one person’s interpretation, or another, until you self-educate). So support this guy if you like, Holm … but beware the wrath of god if you follow the wrong message down the wrong path … it could mean hell … Which one do you believe?
Rather, I think it’s just enough to be a yourself (not a sick socialite or blind-faith-believer in ONE interpretation without waver or understanding of others – YOU, not someone else), and a good person to boot.
Again, enough from me!
Charles W. Frank • Sep 26, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Some people might think less of me for this, but … I’d like to take note … what I’ve also heard others in older generations say (and it goes directly towards lack of respect shown in the current state of society): We’ve become too passive and afraid of standing up and being confrontational to a point of aggression. It is NOT unfortunate that it’s built into all of us as animals (before being humans with cognitive minds).
Anyway, what I’ve heard others say, and I’m starting to believe and agree with: Sometimes a good smack on the mouth (i.e. put your knuckles to someone’s jaw) would do some of these loud-mouth’s some good (maybe even myself at times? or at least break a finger or two?).
Someone aggravates you, it’s only perfectly natural to have instincts to protect yourself, up to and including physicality.
I heard about the “old days” … no doubt I’ll receive some criticism for these remarks. I think the old days where someone steps out of line, you smack them on the mouth and knock them to the ground, and they get up realizing that they got what they deserved for stepping over the line sounds cooler that putting up with some loud-mouthed a*hole who feels he can get away with antagonistic behavior in the name of “free speech.”
I reiterate … next time one of those fools shows up … lets run them out (albeit within current society’s passive standards; not the physicality I endorse).
Putting up some really negative posters on perspective (or perhaps one of those large tear-sheet boards they’ve been using to ‘draw yourself studying’) and letting students reply intelligently to his blind-one-sided-single-track-minded ignorance in a way he can’t dispute without overstepping his bounds to the point of getting kicked-out (meaning … aggravate the a*hole back to the point of pushing him over his limits so that he steps out of line first).
Anyway … enough from me.
Charles W. Frank • Sep 27, 2008 at 2:19 am
Some people might think less of me for this, but … I’d like to take note … what I’ve also heard others in older generations say (and it goes directly towards lack of respect shown in the current state of society): We’ve become too passive and afraid of standing up and being confrontational to a point of aggression. It is NOT unfortunate that it’s built into all of us as animals (before being humans with cognitive minds).
Anyway, what I’ve heard others say, and I’m starting to believe and agree with: Sometimes a good smack on the mouth (i.e. put your knuckles to someone’s jaw) would do some of these loud-mouth’s some good (maybe even myself at times? or at least break a finger or two?).
Someone aggravates you, it’s only perfectly natural to have instincts to protect yourself, up to and including physicality.
I heard about the “old days” … no doubt I’ll receive some criticism for these remarks. I think the old days where someone steps out of line, you smack them on the mouth and knock them to the ground, and they get up realizing that they got what they deserved for stepping over the line sounds cooler that putting up with some loud-mouthed a*hole who feels he can get away with antagonistic behavior in the name of “free speech.”
I reiterate … next time one of those fools shows up … lets run them out (albeit within current society’s passive standards; not the physicality I endorse).
Putting up some really negative posters on perspective (or perhaps one of those large tear-sheet boards they’ve been using to ‘draw yourself studying’) and letting students reply intelligently to his blind-one-sided-single-track-minded ignorance in a way he can’t dispute without overstepping his bounds to the point of getting kicked-out (meaning … aggravate the a*hole back to the point of pushing him over his limits so that he steps out of line first).
Anyway … enough from me.
dw • Sep 26, 2008 at 4:18 pm
I’d love to see students do to Brother Anthony what they did in the 70s–protest this guy’s presence and chase him off campus while the campus cops look the other way. When the Iranian students got out of hand, the aggies and the Greeks knocked the crap out of them in the Free Speech Area and absolutely no one intervened. Oh, the good ole days at Fresno State!!
dw • Sep 26, 2008 at 11:18 pm
I’d love to see students do to Brother Anthony what they did in the 70s–protest this guy’s presence and chase him off campus while the campus cops look the other way. When the Iranian students got out of hand, the aggies and the Greeks knocked the crap out of them in the Free Speech Area and absolutely no one intervened. Oh, the good ole days at Fresno State!!
Charles W. Frank • Sep 26, 2008 at 9:00 am
If these nut jobs were holding bombs, or if being a Muslim was the majority and Christians the minority, Law Enforcement would be all over them. How much can you expect from a biased, bigoted double-standard.
And, unfortunately, to disagree with supporters of this type of behavior (and this type of free speech), the way these nut jobs ‘call people out’ by antagonizing and provoking passive, passers is unnecessary and disturbing.
Sorry … I’ve been calling the small, single-minded religious folk nut jobs … when I should apply the label zealot. That might be more politically correct.
They are entitled to their opinion, their supporters … but shouldn’t the Free Speech area on campus be dominated by CSUF students rather than people NOT associated or affiliated with the school.
I call for anybody who dislikes this behavior to rush the stage and start talking just as loud about small minded people who are incapable of seeing or understanding anything outside of their own perspective … crap … I can recite poems, and read from a book about atheism up there … and who’s to be offended?
Charles W. Frank • Sep 26, 2008 at 4:00 pm
If these nut jobs were holding bombs, or if being a Muslim was the majority and Christians the minority, Law Enforcement would be all over them. How much can you expect from a biased, bigoted double-standard.
And, unfortunately, to disagree with supporters of this type of behavior (and this type of free speech), the way these nut jobs ‘call people out’ by antagonizing and provoking passive, passers is unnecessary and disturbing.
Sorry … I’ve been calling the small, single-minded religious folk nut jobs … when I should apply the label zealot. That might be more politically correct.
They are entitled to their opinion, their supporters … but shouldn’t the Free Speech area on campus be dominated by CSUF students rather than people NOT associated or affiliated with the school.
I call for anybody who dislikes this behavior to rush the stage and start talking just as loud about small minded people who are incapable of seeing or understanding anything outside of their own perspective … crap … I can recite poems, and read from a book about atheism up there … and who’s to be offended?
Geoff • Sep 25, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Andrew – I don’t have a problem with the “Biblical” language he uses to describe some of his viewpoints. I do have a problem with his assumptions of people, their moral fiber and/or religious beliefs based only on what he sees not actual fact.
IE: A couple holding hands walking through the the FS area and being called out “FORNICATORS!” as I have heard him say many times over. He is making assumptions and then accusations that are detrimental to their character , which not only should be against his general practice, but just rude and inconsiderate.
Julie – You’ve instantly discredited yourself and your viewpoints by name calling and intolerance. Take it eaaaasssssy 🙂
Geoff • Sep 25, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Andrew – I don’t have a problem with the “Biblical” language he uses to describe some of his viewpoints. I do have a problem with his assumptions of people, their moral fiber and/or religious beliefs based only on what he sees not actual fact.
IE: A couple holding hands walking through the the FS area and being called out “FORNICATORS!” as I have heard him say many times over. He is making assumptions and then accusations that are detrimental to their character , which not only should be against his general practice, but just rude and inconsiderate.
Julie – You’ve instantly discredited yourself and your viewpoints by name calling and intolerance. Take it eaaaasssssy 🙂
Julie Quick • Sep 24, 2008 at 4:55 pm
This clown needs to be locked up in a mental hospital, not taking up space in the Free Speech Area. I mean come on dude, have you looked in a mirror? You are freakin freskishly ugly and God hates you. He is probably just mad at his mom and his absent dad for making such a hideously ugly piece of garbage that he yells and screams on campus because that is the only way he can get attention. Do all the students a favor and remove yourself from campus so that your ugly face doesn’t make anyone else throw up in disgust. To Andrew Holm:: I think you must be part of that nutjob lady’s church that looks like a goat and is insane. You are an abomination and I am disgusted that losers not worhy of life attend Fresno State. Do us all a favor and keep you idiotic opinions to yourself. Thanks.
Julie Quick • Sep 24, 2008 at 11:55 pm
This clown needs to be locked up in a mental hospital, not taking up space in the Free Speech Area. I mean come on dude, have you looked in a mirror? You are freakin freskishly ugly and God hates you. He is probably just mad at his mom and his absent dad for making such a hideously ugly piece of garbage that he yells and screams on campus because that is the only way he can get attention. Do all the students a favor and remove yourself from campus so that your ugly face doesn’t make anyone else throw up in disgust. To Andrew Holm:: I think you must be part of that nutjob lady’s church that looks like a goat and is insane. You are an abomination and I am disgusted that losers not worhy of life attend Fresno State. Do us all a favor and keep you idiotic opinions to yourself. Thanks.
Andrew Holm • Sep 24, 2008 at 1:37 pm
I am a student at Fresno State and I am completely supportive of Pastor Anthony Munoz and his methods of trying to reach people with the gospel. Why are people so against the preaching of the gospel? Because we do not like being told we are wrong.
In response to Geoff’s Comment, is it attacking, or is it simply labeling certain actions with the label that the Bible gives it? The problem most people have with Pastor Anthony, the “crazy preacher on campus,” is actually a problem with what the Bible says about how we are supposed to live. All Pastor Anthony is doing at the free speech area is preaching the Bible and trying to show students where their lifestyles don’t line up with it so they can be real Christians.
Unfortunately, we as Fresno State students are so hard-headed that we refuse to recognize the fact that the only reason Pastor Anthony is here on campus is because he loves us and wants to spare us the punishment that is a result of our living contrary to the Bible.
God help us.
Andrew Holm • Sep 24, 2008 at 8:37 pm
I am a student at Fresno State and I am completely supportive of Pastor Anthony Munoz and his methods of trying to reach people with the gospel. Why are people so against the preaching of the gospel? Because we do not like being told we are wrong.
In response to Geoff’s Comment, is it attacking, or is it simply labeling certain actions with the label that the Bible gives it? The problem most people have with Pastor Anthony, the “crazy preacher on campus,” is actually a problem with what the Bible says about how we are supposed to live. All Pastor Anthony is doing at the free speech area is preaching the Bible and trying to show students where their lifestyles don’t line up with it so they can be real Christians.
Unfortunately, we as Fresno State students are so hard-headed that we refuse to recognize the fact that the only reason Pastor Anthony is here on campus is because he loves us and wants to spare us the punishment that is a result of our living contrary to the Bible.
God help us.
Geoff • Sep 24, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Is that guy still up there? How does he make money? Donations I am assuming – from others just as passionate/twaked as him – Scary!
Free speech is a beautiful thing – I have however witnessed this particular preacher engage students and other passers by and attack their dress – actions (IE: Kissing Embracing PDA) – and make assumptions upon their personal lives that could be completely wrong.
Basically what I am getting at is let the dude say what he is going to say, but I don’t agree with him actually calling people out and channeling his unprovoked attacks on people whom are just walking by.
Geoff • Sep 24, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Is that guy still up there? How does he make money? Donations I am assuming – from others just as passionate/twaked as him – Scary!
Free speech is a beautiful thing – I have however witnessed this particular preacher engage students and other passers by and attack their dress – actions (IE: Kissing Embracing PDA) – and make assumptions upon their personal lives that could be completely wrong.
Basically what I am getting at is let the dude say what he is going to say, but I don’t agree with him actually calling people out and channeling his unprovoked attacks on people whom are just walking by.