MANY ACROSS AMERICA are singing the catchy pop tune “I Got it From My Momma” from Black Eyed Peas member Will.I.Am. As inviting as this song may be to our party consciousness, we can discern quite more from this factually-based lyric.
Given the fact that our biological make-up is defined, in large part, by the genetic connection to our mothers, coupled with many of our psychological propensities and physiological dependencies, we can certainly, without pause, say, “I got it from my momma!”
Urban sociologists and criminal justice researchers are quick to conclude that there is a causal relationship between high incarceration rates of youth and natal alienation (a disconnect between parents and children).
There are some who believe that young men who grow up without a father fail to become strong and well-rounded men.
They argue that these boys tend to be overly-aggressive, immature and lack responsibility. Further, they suggest that young ladies, estranged from their fathers, are prey for smooth-talking men, who may have the inclination to exact a paternal chastisement on their bodies physically and sexually, while they incessantly seek for that “daddyâ€Â in their numerous male relationships.
But do we give the presence of our mothers enough credit? Kanye West does, and today he grieves the loss of his mother.
Donda West, Ph. D., focused on raising her talented son as a single mother in the African-American community, eventually becoming his manager, as he gained national attention as a new musical sensation.
True artists have the ability to appeal not only to our senses but also to our mind, and that is what Kanye, if taken seriously, accomplishes.
He may not have the alluring voice of a Lil Wayne, Snoop Dogg or the late Biggie. He may not create flawless rhymes like a Jay-Z, Fabolous or Eminem. But in the tradition of the guys from Black Thought, Common, Pac, MC Lyte, Queen Latifah, KRS-One, Nas, et al., Kanye attempts to provide a scathing critique of our common consciousness and force us to wrestle with our own sense of right and wrong.
He pushes even the conscious rappers to a level of entertainment and psychic freedom that very few have done since 2Pac.
Kanye’s music, and life, seeks to uplift and sustain self and community while representing the best of creativity and individuality. Under his mother’s leadership of the Kanye West Foundation, its purposed goal is the education of those who may have slipped through the cracks of truancy, teen pregnancy and juvenile incarceration. His music, albeit consistent in the American fetish of materialism, resists the industry’s luring temptation of misogyny and challenges women to seek a better or “G.O.O.Dâ€Â Life.
His mother, an English professor, instilled the power of language and metaphor into her son while sustaining his place in the unnerving streets of our inner-city (or “Keeping it Realâ€Â).
She, like millions of single mothers, deserves deep appreciation and intellectual respect, as she produced one of the most innovative and free-minded artists of our generation.
May God grant eternal rest to your soul and may your light continually shine in the life of your son, who influences us all.
Bless her life and the lives of all mothers, like mine Sandra, who demand excellence of their children.
Marshall G. ssci180 • Dec 10, 2007 at 9:11 pm
You have to respect what a single Mom does. In today̢۪s society the poetry you hear the most is coming from individuals like Kanye. His songs aren̢۪t the normal ones you hear about shaking your groove thing. Kanyes songs have deeper meanings. Kanyes Mom saw this spark and guided and motivated him to stay with his talent and that is something to be respected. Dr. Bailey did a good job of giving a Mother that raised her kid with a good head on his shoulders. Give some Respect to your Moms.
Marshall G. ssci180 • Dec 11, 2007 at 4:11 am
You have to respect what a single Mom does. In today’s society the poetry you hear the most is coming from individuals like Kanye. His songs aren’t the normal ones you hear about shaking your groove thing. Kanyes songs have deeper meanings. Kanyes Mom saw this spark and guided and motivated him to stay with his talent and that is something to be respected. Dr. Bailey did a good job of giving a Mother that raised her kid with a good head on his shoulders. Give some Respect to your Moms.
melissa martinez • Dec 1, 2007 at 10:27 am
i got alittle off track and forgot to honor my mother. Beautiful Rosemary from a broken home found love in a man and in her belly, at thirteen she became a mother. despite being a child herself , she dedicated her life to being the best nurturing mama you could ever find. home room mama, girlscout leader mama, softball coach mama, she did it all! Always putting us first and herself second. i dread the day i lose my mom and i feel for kanye west..hopefully the leasons i’ve learned thus far from her, will continue to enrich my life. peace & love melissa
melissa martinez • Dec 1, 2007 at 5:27 pm
i got alittle off track and forgot to honor my mother. Beautiful Rosemary from a broken home found love in a man and in her belly, at thirteen she became a mother. despite being a child herself , she dedicated her life to being the best nurturing mama you could ever find. home room mama, girlscout leader mama, softball coach mama, she did it all! Always putting us first and herself second. i dread the day i lose my mom and i feel for kanye west..hopefully the leasons i’ve learned thus far from her, will continue to enrich my life. peace & love melissa
melissa martinez • Nov 30, 2007 at 1:04 pm
we sure do get it from our mama…our daddy too; whether just biologically or otherwise. whether you have had two parents, 1 parent, no parents, shity parents in your life..there comes a point in life when you grow the hell up and accept the choices and consequences you have paved for yourself. we ARE all creatures of circumstance..you and i could have just as easy been born in another place or another time, but @ what point do you take responsibility. None of us are free from pain…we’ve all had mountains to climb, rivers to swim… GET UP and dust yourself off. Learn more from your failures in life than successes! On the subject of rap & Kanye West….it’s okay..it sells..its more than fourties, blunts, and bitches. Its about making money and a little self-expression. music doesn’t make you violent …if your violent it aint from rap my friend …it’s you. peace & love…melissa
melissa martinez • Nov 30, 2007 at 8:04 pm
we sure do get it from our mama…our daddy too; whether just biologically or otherwise. whether you have had two parents, 1 parent, no parents, shity parents in your life..there comes a point in life when you grow the hell up and accept the choices and consequences you have paved for yourself. we ARE all creatures of circumstance..you and i could have just as easy been born in another place or another time, but @ what point do you take responsibility. None of us are free from pain…we’ve all had mountains to climb, rivers to swim… GET UP and dust yourself off. Learn more from your failures in life than successes! On the subject of rap & Kanye West….it’s okay..it sells..its more than fourties, blunts, and bitches. Its about making money and a little self-expression. music doesn’t make you violent …if your violent it aint from rap my friend …it’s you. peace & love…melissa
Jennifer A.Leaks • Nov 30, 2007 at 10:45 am
While I feel deep sorrow and sympathy for the West family, and respect Kanye on a lyrical and musical level, i question a few things. Miss West seemed to be a very intelligent, hardworking and dedicated mother and professional. However, i can not help but ask why she was seeking to alter her physical characteristics so desperately that she was willing to risk her life, which consequently was ended due to her own error in judgement? Was she caught up in living the g.o.o.d life of hollywood glamour? Had she fallen victom to the pressures of desiring that long gone youthful physique? If Kanye does in fact “get it from his momma” will he be subject to the same tragedy? No one is perfect, and we all make horrible decisions at times, but i do not know what the hell she was thinking!!!!
Jennifer A.Leaks • Nov 30, 2007 at 5:45 pm
While I feel deep sorrow and sympathy for the West family, and respect Kanye on a lyrical and musical level, i question a few things. Miss West seemed to be a very intelligent, hardworking and dedicated mother and professional. However, i can not help but ask why she was seeking to alter her physical characteristics so desperately that she was willing to risk her life, which consequently was ended due to her own error in judgement? Was she caught up in living the g.o.o.d life of hollywood glamour? Had she fallen victom to the pressures of desiring that long gone youthful physique? If Kanye does in fact “get it from his momma” will he be subject to the same tragedy? No one is perfect, and we all make horrible decisions at times, but i do not know what the hell she was thinking!!!!
Ray Chin • Nov 27, 2007 at 4:52 pm
Nothing can possibly be more tragic than losing your mother. Kanye is one of the few rappers that avoids the mainstream messages such as violence, gang activity, and improvises how the “industry” is. The term “I got it from my momma” is just a slang that will be forgotten such as “dope” and “fresh”. Yes, we do inherit our parents genetics, but Will.I.Am just mocks it from a rappers point of view. Not all individuals who were raised without a father live a dangerous lifestyle. For example, some girls are just more susceptible to men who can be viewed as a father figure and at times can have their way with them. For boys, they tend to have a hatred for their father because of their abandonment. Kanye was raised by a great women who luckily did not abort him.
Ray Chin • Nov 27, 2007 at 11:52 pm
Nothing can possibly be more tragic than losing your mother. Kanye is one of the few rappers that avoids the mainstream messages such as violence, gang activity, and improvises how the “industry” is. The term “I got it from my momma” is just a slang that will be forgotten such as “dope” and “fresh”. Yes, we do inherit our parents genetics, but Will.I.Am just mocks it from a rappers point of view. Not all individuals who were raised without a father live a dangerous lifestyle. For example, some girls are just more susceptible to men who can be viewed as a father figure and at times can have their way with them. For boys, they tend to have a hatred for their father because of their abandonment. Kanye was raised by a great women who luckily did not abort him.
Analee Hernandez • Nov 27, 2007 at 2:40 pm
I believe this article is a way of letting people know that just because someone doesn’t grow up with two parents, doesn’t mean they will turn out “slipping through the cracks of truancy, teen pregnancy and juvenile incarceration.” I myself have grew up without a father figure in my life and I do have to disagree with the part of the article that says, “That young ladies, estranged from their fathers, are prey for smooth-talking men, who may have the inclination to exact a paternal chastisement on their bodies physically and sexually, while they incessantly seek for that “daddy” in their numerous male relationships.” Not having a father figure has made me want to do better in my life. Although, I know that in some cases people end up doing the opposite. My mother has been a very positive role model in my life and I am happy to say she is the reason I have succeeded so far in my career. It seems that Kanye West had a very strong role model in his life and now that she is gone I hope that he will continue succeeding in his career and keep following in her footsteps.
Analee Hernandez • Nov 27, 2007 at 9:40 pm
I believe this article is a way of letting people know that just because someone doesn’t grow up with two parents, doesn’t mean they will turn out “slipping through the cracks of truancy, teen pregnancy and juvenile incarceration.” I myself have grew up without a father figure in my life and I do have to disagree with the part of the article that says, “That young ladies, estranged from their fathers, are prey for smooth-talking men, who may have the inclination to exact a paternal chastisement on their bodies physically and sexually, while they incessantly seek for that “daddy” in their numerous male relationships.” Not having a father figure has made me want to do better in my life. Although, I know that in some cases people end up doing the opposite. My mother has been a very positive role model in my life and I am happy to say she is the reason I have succeeded so far in my career. It seems that Kanye West had a very strong role model in his life and now that she is gone I hope that he will continue succeeding in his career and keep following in her footsteps.
Melissa Penerian • Nov 26, 2007 at 10:37 pm
That is a great article. We do owe so much to mothers who show our youth how the world turns. A mother who takes the time to teach thier children right in a world that sometimes is just so wrong is the greatest impact in any ones life. It is wonderful that no matter what your background is and what nationalility one may be, we all have “got it” from our mothers. In some cases we may not want to have whatever it is that we got from our mothers but, we should embrace who we are. God Bless all the mothers out there who help us through this crazy world.
Melissa Penerian • Nov 27, 2007 at 5:37 am
That is a great article. We do owe so much to mothers who show our youth how the world turns. A mother who takes the time to teach thier children right in a world that sometimes is just so wrong is the greatest impact in any ones life. It is wonderful that no matter what your background is and what nationalility one may be, we all have “got it” from our mothers. In some cases we may not want to have whatever it is that we got from our mothers but, we should embrace who we are. God Bless all the mothers out there who help us through this crazy world.
Natasha P • Nov 25, 2007 at 9:46 pm
My prayers have gone out to Kanye and his family. My Mother and I are extremely close, and like the late Donda West my Mother has always supported me. Kanye’s loss will forever effect who he is, however he should never forget who is Mother raised him to be. Being a single Mom is a job no woman should have to “man-up toâ€Â however, with societies values and morals changing many many women have take on the role of both Mother and Father to their children. My hat and heart goes out to those strong independent women that make the effort to raise their children on their own. In Kanye’s case he turned out to be everything Donda expected.
I agree that his music has “somethingâ€Â special to it. No, his lyrics are not always life changing, you said it best when you said, “Kanye attempts to provide a scathing critique of our common consciousness and force us to wrestle with our own sense of right and wrong.â€Â However, he is making a lot of money, his music is everywhere and he is a part of the 21st century and therefore, whether a person owns his CD’s or hates his guts, the fact remains, that he has made his mark. And, while most people see Kanye as a solo artist that performs alone, his manager, mother and main man supported him and succeed in getting him to where he is today.
Hopefully his loss will only help him further his career, because that̢۪s what his Mother would have wanted. While his life will never be the same without her, he must realize that everything he has today, is due to her love. Donda West supported and loved her son, and because of that he has come so far. It is with dearest sincerity that I wish Kanye and his future the best, because the best is has yet to come.
Natasha P • Nov 26, 2007 at 4:46 am
My prayers have gone out to Kanye and his family. My Mother and I are extremely close, and like the late Donda West my Mother has always supported me. Kanye’s loss will forever effect who he is, however he should never forget who is Mother raised him to be. Being a single Mom is a job no woman should have to “man-up to” however, with societies values and morals changing many many women have take on the role of both Mother and Father to their children. My hat and heart goes out to those strong independent women that make the effort to raise their children on their own. In Kanye’s case he turned out to be everything Donda expected.
I agree that his music has “something” special to it. No, his lyrics are not always life changing, you said it best when you said, “Kanye attempts to provide a scathing critique of our common consciousness and force us to wrestle with our own sense of right and wrong.” However, he is making a lot of money, his music is everywhere and he is a part of the 21st century and therefore, whether a person owns his CD’s or hates his guts, the fact remains, that he has made his mark. And, while most people see Kanye as a solo artist that performs alone, his manager, mother and main man supported him and succeed in getting him to where he is today.
Hopefully his loss will only help him further his career, because that’s what his Mother would have wanted. While his life will never be the same without her, he must realize that everything he has today, is due to her love. Donda West supported and loved her son, and because of that he has come so far. It is with dearest sincerity that I wish Kanye and his future the best, because the best is has yet to come.
Tiffany Waller • Nov 25, 2007 at 6:27 pm
The American society looks at single mothers in the African American community through eyes that cannot even identify the struggle that mothers go through trying desperately to provide for their families. I personally do not believe that they even have a clue as to what these single mothers do to be able to provide for their children without the assistance of the fathers of the children. Since I was brought into this world both my mother and my father were always there for me. So this was not a struggle I am immediately able to understand, but I was able to see the struggle through the lives of the person around me and it showed me how hard it is for the single mothers out there. The persistent struggle of trying to guarantee the success of your children, praying that you were able to raise them to the best of their ability, along with the lectures and lessons mothers have given their children still leaves a question hanging up in the air? Will it be enough to help them throughout their lives? But it is very possible. For example, take a look at Donde West, mother of Kanye West, who was able to help mold him into the successful rap artist that he is today with out the help of his father. I won’t dare say that she alone is responsible for the man that Kanye has become today. Although I will say she had a great deal to do with it. She was able to raise such a successful young man all the while still focusing on her dreams and also being very successful herself. And honestly, I do not believe that single mothers get enough credit for all of the time and hard work they dedicate to ensure their kids are going to get the most out of life that they can.
Tiffany Waller • Nov 26, 2007 at 1:27 am
The American society looks at single mothers in the African American community through eyes that cannot even identify the struggle that mothers go through trying desperately to provide for their families. I personally do not believe that they even have a clue as to what these single mothers do to be able to provide for their children without the assistance of the fathers of the children. Since I was brought into this world both my mother and my father were always there for me. So this was not a struggle I am immediately able to understand, but I was able to see the struggle through the lives of the person around me and it showed me how hard it is for the single mothers out there. The persistent struggle of trying to guarantee the success of your children, praying that you were able to raise them to the best of their ability, along with the lectures and lessons mothers have given their children still leaves a question hanging up in the air? Will it be enough to help them throughout their lives? But it is very possible. For example, take a look at Donde West, mother of Kanye West, who was able to help mold him into the successful rap artist that he is today with out the help of his father. I won’t dare say that she alone is responsible for the man that Kanye has become today. Although I will say she had a great deal to do with it. She was able to raise such a successful young man all the while still focusing on her dreams and also being very successful herself. And honestly, I do not believe that single mothers get enough credit for all of the time and hard work they dedicate to ensure their kids are going to get the most out of life that they can.
Patrick Moorman II • Nov 22, 2007 at 10:01 pm
I rarly enjoy rap music, for me i take nothing from it except the “cool” beats ans sounds. But for the words and lyrics, i never connected rap music and lyrics that meant something. The truth is i did and still do find entertainment and words that mean somnething in his music, thats a true artist, not fake american idol. If his mother played that much of a roile in his and his music, the truth is i cant wait to hear in his music the role his mother will play in death. That does sound bad in a way, but maybe he can find the “it” people look for in music after his mothers death. In his worse times he may write his best music, and for ever mark his name a an artist not just a rapper.
Patrick Moorman II • Nov 23, 2007 at 5:01 am
I rarly enjoy rap music, for me i take nothing from it except the “cool” beats ans sounds. But for the words and lyrics, i never connected rap music and lyrics that meant something. The truth is i did and still do find entertainment and words that mean somnething in his music, thats a true artist, not fake american idol. If his mother played that much of a roile in his and his music, the truth is i cant wait to hear in his music the role his mother will play in death. That does sound bad in a way, but maybe he can find the “it” people look for in music after his mothers death. In his worse times he may write his best music, and for ever mark his name a an artist not just a rapper.
Adriana Alcala • Nov 21, 2007 at 2:27 pm
“There are some who believe that young men who grow up without a father fail to become strong and well-rounded men. ”
Individuals tend to think that the man is the one that wears the pants around the house. Why? simply because they are the man. But what happens if theres not a dad or a dad figure in the family?? The child is going to find someone else,whether its the mom in the household, or a father from another family. What I’m trying to say, is that yeah its true that by having a father figure in the family, it can make a diffrence in the household. Whether they are there to comfort and to give advice, it is always nice to have both. But what if that father doesn’t care for the family, is violent, and alcoholic?? A man can be a man without a father in the family, it just depends on what footsteps he followed through.
THis is a very deep article Dr. Bailey… may Kanye’s West mother R.I.P..
Adriana Alcala • Nov 21, 2007 at 9:27 pm
“There are some who believe that young men who grow up without a father fail to become strong and well-rounded men. ”
Individuals tend to think that the man is the one that wears the pants around the house. Why? simply because they are the man. But what happens if theres not a dad or a dad figure in the family?? The child is going to find someone else,whether its the mom in the household, or a father from another family. What I’m trying to say, is that yeah its true that by having a father figure in the family, it can make a diffrence in the household. Whether they are there to comfort and to give advice, it is always nice to have both. But what if that father doesn’t care for the family, is violent, and alcoholic?? A man can be a man without a father in the family, it just depends on what footsteps he followed through.
THis is a very deep article Dr. Bailey… may Kanye’s West mother R.I.P..
Stacy Nicklaus • Nov 21, 2007 at 1:22 pm
I thought this article was very well put together and interesting. I think it’s a good point that people always talk about children growing up without their fathers. What about the one’s with no mother?! It doesn’t really matter how many parents you have, as l;ong as you have someone who loves you and shows you the way. Some people grow up with both of their parents and turn out “bad”. Others only have one parent and they turn out amazing. Every story is different. All I know is that my life would not be the same if I didn’t have my father or my mother.
Stacy Nicklaus • Nov 21, 2007 at 8:22 pm
I thought this article was very well put together and interesting. I think it’s a good point that people always talk about children growing up without their fathers. What about the one’s with no mother?! It doesn’t really matter how many parents you have, as l;ong as you have someone who loves you and shows you the way. Some people grow up with both of their parents and turn out “bad”. Others only have one parent and they turn out amazing. Every story is different. All I know is that my life would not be the same if I didn’t have my father or my mother.
Yazmin B. Carrillo • Nov 20, 2007 at 11:28 am
Music is a universal movement that makes a connection to everyone. though there are times when rappers such as the late 2Pac and Kanye west come around and begin a revolution that makes peoples head turn and actually pay attention to the content of the lyrics and look pass the fact that it is “RAP”.
Dr. Bailey asserst, “These artist have the ability to appeal not so to our senses but also to our mind…” 2Pac and Kanye west have accomplished that sense of ability and appeal. in their songs they mention their mother, and how important they have been in their life, whether it was positive or negative, and reenforced lyrical utterance and expression through “RAP” music.
These rapers did give credit to their mothers and have been succesful because the message they are tryign to say comes across cleanly. “She, like millions of single mothers, deserves deep appreciation and intellectual respect, as she produced one of the most innovative and free-minded artists of our generation” Kanye west is this artist just like 2pac was and is. without their mothers influence in their lives they would have probably not been the artist they are today.
Just like myself, i would not be me without the influence of my mother, shouts out to you mom (Luciana), and yes ” I got it from my Moma” 🙂
Yazmin B. Carrillo • Nov 20, 2007 at 6:28 pm
Music is a universal movement that makes a connection to everyone. though there are times when rappers such as the late 2Pac and Kanye west come around and begin a revolution that makes peoples head turn and actually pay attention to the content of the lyrics and look pass the fact that it is “RAP”.
Dr. Bailey asserst, “These artist have the ability to appeal not so to our senses but also to our mind…” 2Pac and Kanye west have accomplished that sense of ability and appeal. in their songs they mention their mother, and how important they have been in their life, whether it was positive or negative, and reenforced lyrical utterance and expression through “RAP” music.
These rapers did give credit to their mothers and have been succesful because the message they are tryign to say comes across cleanly. “She, like millions of single mothers, deserves deep appreciation and intellectual respect, as she produced one of the most innovative and free-minded artists of our generation” Kanye west is this artist just like 2pac was and is. without their mothers influence in their lives they would have probably not been the artist they are today.
Just like myself, i would not be me without the influence of my mother, shouts out to you mom (Luciana), and yes ” I got it from my Moma” 🙂
Stacey Carlota • Nov 19, 2007 at 8:00 pm
The issue of whether or not is is the case that parents influnece their childrens abilities and success can be argued from both sides. Sure we have all seen those who have succeeded from the push or encouragment of their parents and those that have faltered with out the guidence or absence of a parent. However, there are many people who have gone on to achieve greatness out of their own determination and will, and even those who did have a postive push or encouragment from their parents had to have had their own personal determination to succed as well. So is determination and drive a trait that is passed on from ones parents? Do we learn from the example of our parents? In addition though parents can also positively influence their children we must also be sure not to over push their limits such as those parents who have robbed their children of their childhoods in order for them to achieve over the top fame or success. We must positively encourage children to do their best and remind them that it must be what they want.
Stacey Carlota • Nov 20, 2007 at 3:00 am
The issue of whether or not is is the case that parents influnece their childrens abilities and success can be argued from both sides. Sure we have all seen those who have succeeded from the push or encouragment of their parents and those that have faltered with out the guidence or absence of a parent. However, there are many people who have gone on to achieve greatness out of their own determination and will, and even those who did have a postive push or encouragment from their parents had to have had their own personal determination to succed as well. So is determination and drive a trait that is passed on from ones parents? Do we learn from the example of our parents? In addition though parents can also positively influence their children we must also be sure not to over push their limits such as those parents who have robbed their children of their childhoods in order for them to achieve over the top fame or success. We must positively encourage children to do their best and remind them that it must be what they want.
Esme Arambula • Nov 19, 2007 at 6:36 pm
growing up without a father can have a big impact on the child, also other factors such as (peers, friends, community) around the child contribute to their growth. If the single mother is raising her child, she must contribute plenty of time to spend with the child. Even though it is a lot more difficult to grow up without a father figure, many have achieved and become successful in their lives with the help of others around them. single mother and single fathers who have raised their children should be credited because it is not easy to raise children on their own.
Esme Arambula • Nov 20, 2007 at 1:36 am
growing up without a father can have a big impact on the child, also other factors such as (peers, friends, community) around the child contribute to their growth. If the single mother is raising her child, she must contribute plenty of time to spend with the child. Even though it is a lot more difficult to grow up without a father figure, many have achieved and become successful in their lives with the help of others around them. single mother and single fathers who have raised their children should be credited because it is not easy to raise children on their own.
Danielle Joseph • Nov 19, 2007 at 6:03 pm
Yessir! It is often a misconception in the black community that single mothers are not capable of raising successful children and thus being the cause of the high incarcaration rates of our black youth. Though I was raised in a home with both mother and father present, others all around me weren’t as fortunate and I seen how much mothers can impact the life of a child. Some mothers, like Kanyes’, do whatever is necessary to seek a better life for their child providing them with the absolute best that is possible. However, other women, black or white, don’t know how to be a good mother like Keyshia Cole’s momma who was a drug attic during her Keyshia’s childhood. However, Keyshia being a prime example, many can fight through a bad childhood and make the best for themselves despite the drugs, the sex, and the violence present in these streets. So basically, a good mom is a great asset to a child’s life, but is not to blame for delinquent children.
Danielle Joseph • Nov 20, 2007 at 1:03 am
Yessir! It is often a misconception in the black community that single mothers are not capable of raising successful children and thus being the cause of the high incarcaration rates of our black youth. Though I was raised in a home with both mother and father present, others all around me weren’t as fortunate and I seen how much mothers can impact the life of a child. Some mothers, like Kanyes’, do whatever is necessary to seek a better life for their child providing them with the absolute best that is possible. However, other women, black or white, don’t know how to be a good mother like Keyshia Cole’s momma who was a drug attic during her Keyshia’s childhood. However, Keyshia being a prime example, many can fight through a bad childhood and make the best for themselves despite the drugs, the sex, and the violence present in these streets. So basically, a good mom is a great asset to a child’s life, but is not to blame for delinquent children.
Marina Santana • Nov 19, 2007 at 4:35 pm
I really do not listen to rap or kenya West that much, but this article is part of many things. Part of the article is about the passing of Kenya’s mother, a women that can be seen as influencal to other women how are raising a child in a African-American Community but also in general how men and women act with just a single parent. I think it all depends; each family structure is different. The way the mother or father raises his or her kids will determine a great idea of how they will end up in their society. Single parents can play both the mother and father figure; it’s not easy and family members will have to be a big part of the raising, but like I said it all depends whether the parent has a good relationship with their children. Just because a boy did not have his father around does not mean that they will end up soft and fail the become strong, there are cases that a boy that does have a father present can become “soft” or “fail to be well-arounded,” it depends on the parents influence and teaching. So Kenya West’s mother from what I have been reading was a great women that did raise her son with manners and with the understand that language can be powerful.
Marina Santana • Nov 19, 2007 at 11:35 pm
I really do not listen to rap or kenya West that much, but this article is part of many things. Part of the article is about the passing of Kenya’s mother, a women that can be seen as influencal to other women how are raising a child in a African-American Community but also in general how men and women act with just a single parent. I think it all depends; each family structure is different. The way the mother or father raises his or her kids will determine a great idea of how they will end up in their society. Single parents can play both the mother and father figure; it’s not easy and family members will have to be a big part of the raising, but like I said it all depends whether the parent has a good relationship with their children. Just because a boy did not have his father around does not mean that they will end up soft and fail the become strong, there are cases that a boy that does have a father present can become “soft” or “fail to be well-arounded,” it depends on the parents influence and teaching. So Kenya West’s mother from what I have been reading was a great women that did raise her son with manners and with the understand that language can be powerful.
Torres, F • Nov 19, 2007 at 2:44 pm
I strongly agree with Dr. Bailey when he states that “young men who grow up without a father fail to become strong and well-rounded men.â€Â The lack of a strong parental figure in some instance leads to young violent criminals. It is not always the case but base on statistics which show that a young boy who lives without a paternal figure has high probabilities of been arrested by the age of 14. Boys who are grow up having a father have someone to look upon and to set an example to follow. I also agree when he says that single mother should be given more credit for all the hard work they do. Been a single mother is a challenging task and yet there are mothers that do an exceptional job. Child with only one parent should be very proud and lucky to have such a strong person in their lives.
Some time we get ashamed of our parents because of the way they dress or talk, forgetting that if it wasn̢۪t for them we would not be here today. Part of what one is thanks to ones parents. One learns values, and principals from parents. Therefore one should be proud of our parents no matter what.
Torres, F • Nov 19, 2007 at 9:44 pm
I strongly agree with Dr. Bailey when he states that “young men who grow up without a father fail to become strong and well-rounded men.” The lack of a strong parental figure in some instance leads to young violent criminals. It is not always the case but base on statistics which show that a young boy who lives without a paternal figure has high probabilities of been arrested by the age of 14. Boys who are grow up having a father have someone to look upon and to set an example to follow. I also agree when he says that single mother should be given more credit for all the hard work they do. Been a single mother is a challenging task and yet there are mothers that do an exceptional job. Child with only one parent should be very proud and lucky to have such a strong person in their lives.
Some time we get ashamed of our parents because of the way they dress or talk, forgetting that if it wasn’t for them we would not be here today. Part of what one is thanks to ones parents. One learns values, and principals from parents. Therefore one should be proud of our parents no matter what.
Abraham Villegas • Nov 19, 2007 at 2:29 pm
This article is very informative because it shows the reality that rap music is in. For example how it talks about a child that grows up with out a parent will be looking for this in other people. For example how it says a girl can be looking for a dad figure in any guy out their. The song is irrelevant it was just a mere example to say how you can get things from your parents as Kanye West got a lot of his creativity from his mom. If his mother was not an English professor he might be o totally different rapper.
Abraham Villegas • Nov 19, 2007 at 9:29 pm
This article is very informative because it shows the reality that rap music is in. For example how it talks about a child that grows up with out a parent will be looking for this in other people. For example how it says a girl can be looking for a dad figure in any guy out their. The song is irrelevant it was just a mere example to say how you can get things from your parents as Kanye West got a lot of his creativity from his mom. If his mother was not an English professor he might be o totally different rapper.
tejinder • Nov 19, 2007 at 11:36 am
I think this is a very well written article. It truly shows in the case of kanye west how much influence his mom had on his life. Being a single mom she still made time for him and made the kind of man he is. As it says in the article his music insipres you to have a good life instead of killing somebody or cussing somebody out. Unlike some other music kanye west music stays in your mind and makes you thinks about it.
tejinder • Nov 19, 2007 at 6:36 pm
I think this is a very well written article. It truly shows in the case of kanye west how much influence his mom had on his life. Being a single mom she still made time for him and made the kind of man he is. As it says in the article his music insipres you to have a good life instead of killing somebody or cussing somebody out. Unlike some other music kanye west music stays in your mind and makes you thinks about it.
AlfredoFloresfromAAIS104w@6pm • Nov 18, 2007 at 10:06 pm
As I was reading the article I noticed that Dr. Bailey was talking about rap Music, but it had a different message. Dr. Bailey is talking about the ways single parents raise their children. It does not matter who raises you, but you have to be thankful to the person for whom you are.
AlfredoFloresfromAAIS104w@6pm • Nov 19, 2007 at 5:06 am
As I was reading the article I noticed that Dr. Bailey was talking about rap Music, but it had a different message. Dr. Bailey is talking about the ways single parents raise their children. It does not matter who raises you, but you have to be thankful to the person for whom you are.
BreNda M AAIS 104w tues@6pm • Nov 18, 2007 at 7:50 pm
I must say that I agree with dr. Bailey. At first i thought that the article was about rap Music, but it has a different messagefrom I interpreted. from the article So we are talking about how some people are being raised. It is true that there are SOME males “who grow up without a father fail to become strong and well-rounded men” and we cant leave the females behind who grow up without a father figure and become “prey for smooth-talking men, who may have the inclination to exact a paternal chastisement on their bodies physically and sexually, while they incessantly seek for that “daddyâ€Â in their numerous male relationships.” Like all situations though, there are exceptions. I personally know a couple of people who went through many experiences that shaped their childhood in a very negative way. Today i look at them as inspirational people that have used that experience as a motivation to better themselves and not as an excuse for their misfortunes.
Apart from that idea of how everyone is raised differently and the effects it may or moay not have on the indiviual, the real message of this article was one that I totally agree with. That was the lack of APPRECIATION towards our parents. Well, in this article it emphasized our mothers. There are a lot of us who for some reason or another have single moms or married moms who “deserve deep appreciation and intellectual respect.” If you are not one of those who show appreciation to the person who has raised you to be who you are, perhaps this coming holiday would be a great opportunity to show you really care…
BreNda M AAIS 104w tues@6pm • Nov 19, 2007 at 2:50 am
I must say that I agree with dr. Bailey. At first i thought that the article was about rap Music, but it has a different messagefrom I interpreted. from the article So we are talking about how some people are being raised. It is true that there are SOME males “who grow up without a father fail to become strong and well-rounded men” and we cant leave the females behind who grow up without a father figure and become “prey for smooth-talking men, who may have the inclination to exact a paternal chastisement on their bodies physically and sexually, while they incessantly seek for that “daddy” in their numerous male relationships.” Like all situations though, there are exceptions. I personally know a couple of people who went through many experiences that shaped their childhood in a very negative way. Today i look at them as inspirational people that have used that experience as a motivation to better themselves and not as an excuse for their misfortunes.
Apart from that idea of how everyone is raised differently and the effects it may or moay not have on the indiviual, the real message of this article was one that I totally agree with. That was the lack of APPRECIATION towards our parents. Well, in this article it emphasized our mothers. There are a lot of us who for some reason or another have single moms or married moms who “deserve deep appreciation and intellectual respect.” If you are not one of those who show appreciation to the person who has raised you to be who you are, perhaps this coming holiday would be a great opportunity to show you really care…
Gonzalez, E. • Nov 18, 2007 at 3:44 pm
I find this article very interesting, but first I must admit that I had no clue what “I got it from my momma” was a from, until I asked around and looked pretty dumb to some people. Anyways, I definately agree with some of the other people who have said that this article is sort of a tribute to mother’s who raise their children in hope they will have a successful live. I don’t know who West is, but I am certain that her ultimate goal was to make a proud son and she certainly is because now he mours and is deeply devastated to have lost his mom. I also agree with Dr. Bailey when he mentions “…young ladies, estranged from their fathers, are prey for smooth-talking men, who may have the inclination to exact a paternal chastisement on their bodies physically and sexually, while they incessantly seek for that “daddyâ€Â in their numerous male relationships. I happen to know several young ladies who are caught in situations like this. Unfortunately they lack the sence of having a father and what it meant to have a male be protective of their young. When these women are in need of comfort or just guidance they seek for that strong minded and protective figure that in the end always ends up being a “father” figure that only takes advantage of them and eventually leaves them because they are weak, inmature individuals that cant live on their own,but constantly need the help of others. From this article I got to understand different interpretations of how people feel about rap, moms, and artist, but one thing I understand is that everyone has a good opinion and is probably based from where they came from and how they were raise. Thank you for taking the time to read this humble opinion…
Gonzalez, E. • Nov 18, 2007 at 10:44 pm
I find this article very interesting, but first I must admit that I had no clue what “I got it from my momma” was a from, until I asked around and looked pretty dumb to some people. Anyways, I definately agree with some of the other people who have said that this article is sort of a tribute to mother’s who raise their children in hope they will have a successful live. I don’t know who West is, but I am certain that her ultimate goal was to make a proud son and she certainly is because now he mours and is deeply devastated to have lost his mom. I also agree with Dr. Bailey when he mentions “…young ladies, estranged from their fathers, are prey for smooth-talking men, who may have the inclination to exact a paternal chastisement on their bodies physically and sexually, while they incessantly seek for that “daddy” in their numerous male relationships. I happen to know several young ladies who are caught in situations like this. Unfortunately they lack the sence of having a father and what it meant to have a male be protective of their young. When these women are in need of comfort or just guidance they seek for that strong minded and protective figure that in the end always ends up being a “father” figure that only takes advantage of them and eventually leaves them because they are weak, inmature individuals that cant live on their own,but constantly need the help of others. From this article I got to understand different interpretations of how people feel about rap, moms, and artist, but one thing I understand is that everyone has a good opinion and is probably based from where they came from and how they were raise. Thank you for taking the time to read this humble opinion…
Bethany L. • Nov 18, 2007 at 1:55 pm
I have to agree with Caroline Dower when she states that, “I do not believe that this article was in any way a discussion as to the harms and benefits of rap music. The focus of the article was to first give credit to our mothers…â€Â and more specifically this article is a tribute to Donda West. Dr. Bailey writes, “She, like millions of single mothers, deserves deep appreciation and intellectual respect, as she produced one of the most innovative and free-minded artists of our generation.â€Â Dr. Bailey also points out that Kanye West is a son that always gave credit to his mother for how she raised him. For me this is where “the take home messageâ€Â is because it made me wonder if I give enough credit to my mother. This article is not a debate on music, or whether or not Kanye’s music is good or bad. This article is a tribute to a woman that raised an articulate and intelligent son as a single mother and her accomplishments should be celebrated.
Bethany L. • Nov 18, 2007 at 8:55 pm
I have to agree with Caroline Dower when she states that, “I do not believe that this article was in any way a discussion as to the harms and benefits of rap music. The focus of the article was to first give credit to our mothers…” and more specifically this article is a tribute to Donda West. Dr. Bailey writes, “She, like millions of single mothers, deserves deep appreciation and intellectual respect, as she produced one of the most innovative and free-minded artists of our generation.” Dr. Bailey also points out that Kanye West is a son that always gave credit to his mother for how she raised him. For me this is where “the take home message” is because it made me wonder if I give enough credit to my mother. This article is not a debate on music, or whether or not Kanye’s music is good or bad. This article is a tribute to a woman that raised an articulate and intelligent son as a single mother and her accomplishments should be celebrated.
Monique Espinoza • Nov 18, 2007 at 1:16 pm
I think musically Kanye West is incredibly talented although I have heard of not so pleasant things about him off stage like how he is stuck up, it doesn’t affect my opinion about his music, because that’s just what I’ve heard word of mouth. However I think this article wasn’t meant for people to criticize or critique Kanye West’s music but rather it was intended for people to respond to the lyric, “I got it from my momma.â€Â I feel the upbringings from our parents really have an impact on influencing the person we become as adults, not only biologically but personality, beliefs wise etc. Me personally I got a lot of things from my mama her beautiful smile, her outgoing personality, her ability to befriend anyone with welcome arms, it’s something to be proud of. I think when Fergie was writing this song she could have been thinking of either two things, one she wanted to write a song with meaning that people could relate to, or two, a song with a catchy phrase that could stick in someone’s mind quite easily.
Monique Espinoza • Nov 18, 2007 at 8:16 pm
I think musically Kanye West is incredibly talented although I have heard of not so pleasant things about him off stage like how he is stuck up, it doesn’t affect my opinion about his music, because that’s just what I’ve heard word of mouth. However I think this article wasn’t meant for people to criticize or critique Kanye West’s music but rather it was intended for people to respond to the lyric, “I got it from my momma.” I feel the upbringings from our parents really have an impact on influencing the person we become as adults, not only biologically but personality, beliefs wise etc. Me personally I got a lot of things from my mama her beautiful smile, her outgoing personality, her ability to befriend anyone with welcome arms, it’s something to be proud of. I think when Fergie was writing this song she could have been thinking of either two things, one she wanted to write a song with meaning that people could relate to, or two, a song with a catchy phrase that could stick in someone’s mind quite easily.
Denise Talamantes • Nov 18, 2007 at 12:29 am
I think I get your point Dr. Bailey. It is really hard sometimes not to bop my head to a song just because the beat sounds good. I have to admit that most of the time I don̢۪t bother to listen to the lyrics or even when I do I still sing along even though it might be a senseless song. I know that you used the Black Eyed Peas song simply as an example and there are many other genres of music that also don̢۪t put too much thought into the message that they are sending. When it is appropriate release a song about blaming only mothers for their daughters genetic make up it has gotten pretty bad. Thanks for encouraging me to think and be critical.
Denise Talamantes • Nov 18, 2007 at 7:29 am
I think I get your point Dr. Bailey. It is really hard sometimes not to bop my head to a song just because the beat sounds good. I have to admit that most of the time I don’t bother to listen to the lyrics or even when I do I still sing along even though it might be a senseless song. I know that you used the Black Eyed Peas song simply as an example and there are many other genres of music that also don’t put too much thought into the message that they are sending. When it is appropriate release a song about blaming only mothers for their daughters genetic make up it has gotten pretty bad. Thanks for encouraging me to think and be critical.
F. Faris • Nov 17, 2007 at 8:17 pm
I would just like to say that i think that there is more than a “causal relationship between high incarceration rates of youth and natal alienation”, i would say there is more of a very strong connection. I was once affiliated with law enforcement and i saw many young people with one or no parent(s) constantly in trouble, and it wasn’t always “inner-city kids “either. So the fact that Ms. West was able to raise Kayne to be a success is a tribute in its’ self. I know that if it wasn’t for my mama I would be in a completely different place, most likely Corcron 1 state prison.
F. Faris • Nov 18, 2007 at 3:17 am
I would just like to say that i think that there is more than a “causal relationship between high incarceration rates of youth and natal alienation”, i would say there is more of a very strong connection. I was once affiliated with law enforcement and i saw many young people with one or no parent(s) constantly in trouble, and it wasn’t always “inner-city kids “either. So the fact that Ms. West was able to raise Kayne to be a success is a tribute in its’ self. I know that if it wasn’t for my mama I would be in a completely different place, most likely Corcron 1 state prison.
Manuel M. • Nov 17, 2007 at 2:21 pm
Rap music has always been one of my favorite types of music . However this article has to do with a bit more than what or how people think of rap music. Which is obviously how some poeple have interpreted it.
One of the first points in which i have to agree with Dr. Bailey is in that of the statement, “She, like millions of single mothers, deserves deep appreciation and intellectual respect….”.
Secondly, because of past experiences with fellow peers i must also agree that children who grow up without a father tend to have certain problems that can be associated with not having both parents to guide them.
Dr. West, may she rest in peace, is a great example and inspirational role model which has shown that these odds can be overcome. Good article Dr. Bailey
Manuel M. • Nov 17, 2007 at 9:21 pm
Rap music has always been one of my favorite types of music . However this article has to do with a bit more than what or how people think of rap music. Which is obviously how some poeple have interpreted it.
One of the first points in which i have to agree with Dr. Bailey is in that of the statement, “She, like millions of single mothers, deserves deep appreciation and intellectual respect….”.
Secondly, because of past experiences with fellow peers i must also agree that children who grow up without a father tend to have certain problems that can be associated with not having both parents to guide them.
Dr. West, may she rest in peace, is a great example and inspirational role model which has shown that these odds can be overcome. Good article Dr. Bailey
Amanda Tjahjadi - Soc Sci 180 • Nov 16, 2007 at 11:04 pm
I can’t say that I’ve ever listened to Kayne West’s music before (yes, I live under a rock), but I do think that many people are responding to this article simply because they hate rap music. This article is primarily about a successful woman who just passed away; it is not a critique of rap music. Show a little respect for the person who just DIED, and also for the author of this article, by responding to what was written, please.
I was/am fortunate enough to grow up with two parents, who are still married after 25 years. I cannot imagine life without my dad, who has made many sacrifices for my sister and me, and I feel bad for people who do not know their fathers. However, I don’t think that all children who grow up with a single parent, specifically a mother, turn into adults who are “messed up”. My boyfriend never knew his father and he turned out fine. He’s very hard working and is one of the top students in his major, rather than the stereotypical “..overly-aggressive, immature…”, tragic character we see on TV.
I believe that Donda West’s true success with her son was that she was involved in his life and stressed education as a means to do better in life. Education is the greatest gift parents can give to their children, and Dr. West obviously fascinated her son with the concept of language before other less desirable influences could permeate him. It is better to have one parent who loves you than two parents who don’t.
Amanda Tjahjadi - Soc Sci 180 • Nov 17, 2007 at 6:04 am
I can’t say that I’ve ever listened to Kayne West’s music before (yes, I live under a rock), but I do think that many people are responding to this article simply because they hate rap music. This article is primarily about a successful woman who just passed away; it is not a critique of rap music. Show a little respect for the person who just DIED, and also for the author of this article, by responding to what was written, please.
I was/am fortunate enough to grow up with two parents, who are still married after 25 years. I cannot imagine life without my dad, who has made many sacrifices for my sister and me, and I feel bad for people who do not know their fathers. However, I don’t think that all children who grow up with a single parent, specifically a mother, turn into adults who are “messed up”. My boyfriend never knew his father and he turned out fine. He’s very hard working and is one of the top students in his major, rather than the stereotypical “..overly-aggressive, immature…”, tragic character we see on TV.
I believe that Donda West’s true success with her son was that she was involved in his life and stressed education as a means to do better in life. Education is the greatest gift parents can give to their children, and Dr. West obviously fascinated her son with the concept of language before other less desirable influences could permeate him. It is better to have one parent who loves you than two parents who don’t.
Renee • Nov 16, 2007 at 6:03 pm
I’m sad to read what some people have gotten out of this article. This article obviously was not written glorify nor talk badly about rap music. So, why are people on here making new names for rap music. Why are you people taking away the good of this article and focusing on something that was not even a discussion? This article is focusing on a Strong Black Women who taught her son very well. She was not only a Strong Black Women, but a single partent. she raised her son along and was successful in her own life also. She was not a woman who just pushed for her sons success and did not have any of her own. She was an English Professor. She showed her son hard work and gave him the foundation to know what hard work look like. Yes, it is sad that Kanye was not raised with a Father, but I am sure he is grateful to have such a strong woman to love and support him. This was a very well written article and it focused on something that many people do not, Single mothers who bring out the best in the children.
Renee • Nov 17, 2007 at 1:03 am
I’m sad to read what some people have gotten out of this article. This article obviously was not written glorify nor talk badly about rap music. So, why are people on here making new names for rap music. Why are you people taking away the good of this article and focusing on something that was not even a discussion? This article is focusing on a Strong Black Women who taught her son very well. She was not only a Strong Black Women, but a single partent. she raised her son along and was successful in her own life also. She was not a woman who just pushed for her sons success and did not have any of her own. She was an English Professor. She showed her son hard work and gave him the foundation to know what hard work look like. Yes, it is sad that Kanye was not raised with a Father, but I am sure he is grateful to have such a strong woman to love and support him. This was a very well written article and it focused on something that many people do not, Single mothers who bring out the best in the children.
music4life • Nov 16, 2007 at 2:39 pm
I am surprised to read the above comment from someone I guess is in Dr Bailey’s class. What song did Kanye write for his mother? WHat is that Patrick guy smokin? And what…Dr. Bailey or Baily? I sure hope that professor isnt too sensitive about his words or even his name cause he screwed both of it up. But I really dont know why Pat Smith bothered to say anything cause he said nothing. Almost like the first comment. Come on
music4life • Nov 16, 2007 at 9:39 pm
I am surprised to read the above comment from someone I guess is in Dr Bailey’s class. What song did Kanye write for his mother? WHat is that Patrick guy smokin? And what…Dr. Bailey or Baily? I sure hope that professor isnt too sensitive about his words or even his name cause he screwed both of it up. But I really dont know why Pat Smith bothered to say anything cause he said nothing. Almost like the first comment. Come on
Patrick Smith - AAIS 104W T6-9 • Nov 16, 2007 at 3:23 am
I have to admit that the sum of my knownledge of Kayne is what i have just read in this articale. I do not listen to much rap or know more than two rap artist names off the top of my head. But after reading this artical about Kayne west I now realize that his mother worked hard for her education and she was a large influence in his life. After Kayne’s mothers recent death it is appearnt he has written a song in memberence of her. Just becuase there are half naked girls dancing as the song plays is just a consumer demand and has nothing to do to the amount of respect Kanye has for his mother.
Note to Dr. Baily:
After you have finished at this University I wish you luck in your travels and hope you are able to find a nitch that fits your teaching style.
Patrick Smith - AAIS 104W T6-9 • Nov 16, 2007 at 10:23 am
I have to admit that the sum of my knownledge of Kayne is what i have just read in this articale. I do not listen to much rap or know more than two rap artist names off the top of my head. But after reading this artical about Kayne west I now realize that his mother worked hard for her education and she was a large influence in his life. After Kayne’s mothers recent death it is appearnt he has written a song in memberence of her. Just becuase there are half naked girls dancing as the song plays is just a consumer demand and has nothing to do to the amount of respect Kanye has for his mother.
Note to Dr. Baily:
After you have finished at this University I wish you luck in your travels and hope you are able to find a nitch that fits your teaching style.
hBoBh/Courtney • Nov 15, 2007 at 10:55 pm
Although i do not care for rap music, i do think that Kayne’s mother broke the stereotype of the “african female”. she dind’t not go out and get pregnant and live off of welfare the rest of her life, her child wasn’t a gangster and didn’t do other illegal things. It’s very hard for a parent to stress the importance of gettin a good education and making something of yourself to their children. Every parents wants their child to grow up and have a good life, no one truly wants them to become gang members or be locked up in jail. if only all parents (single or married) would show such a great example to their children, would this world be a better place. Like tracy DLC said, we, as a society, don’t give parents enough credit for raising their children into a healthy adulthood.
I was listening to the radio today and apparently something due to medical complications is what killed Dr West. I was curious on if anyone knew exactly what happened…
hBoBh/Courtney • Nov 16, 2007 at 5:55 am
Although i do not care for rap music, i do think that Kayne’s mother broke the stereotype of the “african female”. she dind’t not go out and get pregnant and live off of welfare the rest of her life, her child wasn’t a gangster and didn’t do other illegal things. It’s very hard for a parent to stress the importance of gettin a good education and making something of yourself to their children. Every parents wants their child to grow up and have a good life, no one truly wants them to become gang members or be locked up in jail. if only all parents (single or married) would show such a great example to their children, would this world be a better place. Like tracy DLC said, we, as a society, don’t give parents enough credit for raising their children into a healthy adulthood.
I was listening to the radio today and apparently something due to medical complications is what killed Dr West. I was curious on if anyone knew exactly what happened…
Robin S. • Nov 15, 2007 at 10:20 pm
I have to give praise to Donda West for raising a boy into the man he is today. Though I do not listen to his genre of music, I have many friends who do, and I know what some of his songs have ment to them.
Though I wish they weren’t true, statistics do not lie. I am fortunate enough to have both my father and my mother in my life as they just celebrated their 31st wedding anniversary. I never knew and understood the affects of growing up in a single parent home until I met my fiance. His father left him, his mom, and sister when he was only ten. He never had a steady father figure in his life, only when his dad would show up for a week or two and then leave. I see the stress and the anxiety and the fear of abandonment in my fiance everday; yet because of his mom, he is a strong and independent man who will one day instill those values into our children.
On the otherhand, I have seen first hand the affects a girl can have when a father figure is not in the scene. My cousin’s father (my uncle) died when she was eleven. They had a very close relationship and his death was very difficult for her at such a young age. Over the past eightteen years, my cousin has dating numerous men with relationships that don’t last longer that a few months. I know that she has set the bar high for her standards on finding the perfect mate, because she is also trying to find the one that is most like her “daddy”.
I will never know what it is like to grow up without a father or a mother and I am thankful for that because I know it is not very common among my peers. But I thank God daily for what I have and thank my parents for the values they have instilled in me and my sister. I know I am fortunate and hope that one day I will be able to pass down the values I have learned not only to my children but to my students as well.
Robin S. • Nov 16, 2007 at 5:20 am
I have to give praise to Donda West for raising a boy into the man he is today. Though I do not listen to his genre of music, I have many friends who do, and I know what some of his songs have ment to them.
Though I wish they weren’t true, statistics do not lie. I am fortunate enough to have both my father and my mother in my life as they just celebrated their 31st wedding anniversary. I never knew and understood the affects of growing up in a single parent home until I met my fiance. His father left him, his mom, and sister when he was only ten. He never had a steady father figure in his life, only when his dad would show up for a week or two and then leave. I see the stress and the anxiety and the fear of abandonment in my fiance everday; yet because of his mom, he is a strong and independent man who will one day instill those values into our children.
On the otherhand, I have seen first hand the affects a girl can have when a father figure is not in the scene. My cousin’s father (my uncle) died when she was eleven. They had a very close relationship and his death was very difficult for her at such a young age. Over the past eightteen years, my cousin has dating numerous men with relationships that don’t last longer that a few months. I know that she has set the bar high for her standards on finding the perfect mate, because she is also trying to find the one that is most like her “daddy”.
I will never know what it is like to grow up without a father or a mother and I am thankful for that because I know it is not very common among my peers. But I thank God daily for what I have and thank my parents for the values they have instilled in me and my sister. I know I am fortunate and hope that one day I will be able to pass down the values I have learned not only to my children but to my students as well.
Tracy DLC • Nov 15, 2007 at 10:06 pm
I had never thought of “I got it from my momma” as anything more than just a phrase or a song lyric. After reading the article and what Dr. Bailey had to say I realize that there is a certain level of truth associated with the phrase. When I was done with the article I stopped to think about the question posed by Dr. Bailey, “do we give the presence of our mothers enough credit? From personal experience and observations I can say that mothers don’t always get due credit. Kanye West was truly blessed to have such a devoted and supportive mother, it’s a good thing that he appreciated her as muc as he did.
I have never before heard of “natal alienation (a disconnect between parents and children,” but I understand the effect it can have. It is unfortunate that there is a “causal relationship between high incarceration rates and natal alienation.” It is obvious that natal alienation should be avoided at all costs but I understand that for some people this is easier said than done. I think parents, mothers and fathers, who had some of the same values as Donda West “deserve deep appreciation and intellectual respect.” Kanye West is an example of what a good parent can do for their child. No one said life was going to be easy but with a good parent by your side it can be a little less stressful.
Tracy DLC • Nov 16, 2007 at 5:06 am
I had never thought of “I got it from my momma” as anything more than just a phrase or a song lyric. After reading the article and what Dr. Bailey had to say I realize that there is a certain level of truth associated with the phrase. When I was done with the article I stopped to think about the question posed by Dr. Bailey, “do we give the presence of our mothers enough credit? From personal experience and observations I can say that mothers don’t always get due credit. Kanye West was truly blessed to have such a devoted and supportive mother, it’s a good thing that he appreciated her as muc as he did.
I have never before heard of “natal alienation (a disconnect between parents and children,” but I understand the effect it can have. It is unfortunate that there is a “causal relationship between high incarceration rates and natal alienation.” It is obvious that natal alienation should be avoided at all costs but I understand that for some people this is easier said than done. I think parents, mothers and fathers, who had some of the same values as Donda West “deserve deep appreciation and intellectual respect.” Kanye West is an example of what a good parent can do for their child. No one said life was going to be easy but with a good parent by your side it can be a little less stressful.
Mike Garcia • Nov 15, 2007 at 10:01 pm
Let me first start off by saying, I do not own a Kanye Wes album, however I do find his songs on the radio catchy and like them. From watching interviews of him on TV, I can see that he is a deep, deep thinker and an artist who uses rap as his pallet. My only dislike of him is when he went stole another artist’s moment on an award show because he did not win. I didn’t think that was very cool. I think that it is true; we do get it from our mama. We can all look at our mothers and see traits, mannerisms, and other behavior that we share with out mothers and fathers.”But do we give the presence of our mothers enough credit? Kanye West does, and today he grieves the loss of his mother.” I think that it is great thing that Kanye was so open about his love for his mother, and letting people know that she had a profound impact on her. We should all give our mothers credit. Raising children is the hardest job out there. They are responsible for shaping the mind and instilling values of another human being. I don’t know what life would be like if I didn’t have the mother that I did. I thank God my mom is the strong person she is. I know Kanye will only become stronger from this.
Mike Garcia • Nov 16, 2007 at 5:01 am
Let me first start off by saying, I do not own a Kanye Wes album, however I do find his songs on the radio catchy and like them. From watching interviews of him on TV, I can see that he is a deep, deep thinker and an artist who uses rap as his pallet. My only dislike of him is when he went stole another artist’s moment on an award show because he did not win. I didn’t think that was very cool. I think that it is true; we do get it from our mama. We can all look at our mothers and see traits, mannerisms, and other behavior that we share with out mothers and fathers.”But do we give the presence of our mothers enough credit? Kanye West does, and today he grieves the loss of his mother.” I think that it is great thing that Kanye was so open about his love for his mother, and letting people know that she had a profound impact on her. We should all give our mothers credit. Raising children is the hardest job out there. They are responsible for shaping the mind and instilling values of another human being. I don’t know what life would be like if I didn’t have the mother that I did. I thank God my mom is the strong person she is. I know Kanye will only become stronger from this.
Michelle H. • Nov 15, 2007 at 8:31 pm
I have never listened to rap, R & B, heavy metal or anything else to that extent. To me there is no need to get that loud and hard to understand to make a point with music. However, as I look at Kanye West and his loss I pray for him and feel sorry for him. It is hard to loose a parent, especially one that you are close with and he has no one else to turn to now. His mom gave him so much knowledge when she was alive that he should feel blessed for that.
I was raised in a single parent home. My mom was/is always around and she has and is giving me a lot of guidance on many topics. Now, my father was around for a while, but to me he didnt play a part when I was growing up. When he was around he always put me down and made me feel like crap, never was there an attachment. Now, as I sit here today I think about what was said in this article and become a little upset. I am upset because of my situation Im being told Im more prone to searching for the “daddy figure” and will try to get it in any means possible? I dont t hink so. I feel that when given the right guidance and advice from another parent that people are not as likely to become as open to some ideas. This concept is also true with boys. Yes, I know that it has been shown that when there isnt the male influence they become more aggressive, but why dont we as people try and help solve that issue. Why dont we teach the children why they are important instead of making sure they are always getting the highest score on the test. Why dont we make institutions to help single families make sure there kids arent home alone from 3-6 pm or whatever the time frame might be. Why dont we as a country of people help stop these feelings. And lastly WHY DO WE NOT GIVE CREDIT TO OUR MOTHERS and or FATHERS WHO HAVE FILLED THE VOID TO THEIR CHILDREN? It is the void that must be filled, it is the child that must be loved, and it is a parent that fullfills those needs. So, thank you to Dr. Donda West for giving your son so much and giving him all you could.
Michelle H. • Nov 16, 2007 at 3:31 am
I have never listened to rap, R & B, heavy metal or anything else to that extent. To me there is no need to get that loud and hard to understand to make a point with music. However, as I look at Kanye West and his loss I pray for him and feel sorry for him. It is hard to loose a parent, especially one that you are close with and he has no one else to turn to now. His mom gave him so much knowledge when she was alive that he should feel blessed for that.
I was raised in a single parent home. My mom was/is always around and she has and is giving me a lot of guidance on many topics. Now, my father was around for a while, but to me he didnt play a part when I was growing up. When he was around he always put me down and made me feel like crap, never was there an attachment. Now, as I sit here today I think about what was said in this article and become a little upset. I am upset because of my situation Im being told Im more prone to searching for the “daddy figure” and will try to get it in any means possible? I dont t hink so. I feel that when given the right guidance and advice from another parent that people are not as likely to become as open to some ideas. This concept is also true with boys. Yes, I know that it has been shown that when there isnt the male influence they become more aggressive, but why dont we as people try and help solve that issue. Why dont we teach the children why they are important instead of making sure they are always getting the highest score on the test. Why dont we make institutions to help single families make sure there kids arent home alone from 3-6 pm or whatever the time frame might be. Why dont we as a country of people help stop these feelings. And lastly WHY DO WE NOT GIVE CREDIT TO OUR MOTHERS and or FATHERS WHO HAVE FILLED THE VOID TO THEIR CHILDREN? It is the void that must be filled, it is the child that must be loved, and it is a parent that fullfills those needs. So, thank you to Dr. Donda West for giving your son so much and giving him all you could.
Valerie Gunsolus • Nov 15, 2007 at 8:24 pm
It is always sad to hear about someone’s parent dieing, especially if you know that the parent did everything they could in raising their child. Kanye’s mother did an incredible job of raising him as a single parent. I don’t think single parents get enough credit in this society because raising a child by yourself is looked down upon. This view is portrayed when researchers say that “there is a causal relationship between high incarceration rates of youth and natal alienation” and when people think that “young men who grow up without a father fail to become strong and well-rounded men”. Sure, there are some cases where these statements are true, but what about all the other single parents who raised their children successfully. It may be harder to be a single parent but it can still be done. Single mother’s deserve double the credit of the mother’s who have the father’s help. They should not be looked down upon and they should not have to hear about how statistics show that their children will grow up only to go to prison or get into trouble. My mema ran away from her abusive and dangerous husband from Kentucky to California with her six kids all by herself and raised them as a single mother. None of them are in jail and they all have a better life now. That proves that raising children as a single parent can be done successfully and mother’s deserve more credit.
Valerie Gunsolus • Nov 16, 2007 at 3:24 am
It is always sad to hear about someone’s parent dieing, especially if you know that the parent did everything they could in raising their child. Kanye’s mother did an incredible job of raising him as a single parent. I don’t think single parents get enough credit in this society because raising a child by yourself is looked down upon. This view is portrayed when researchers say that “there is a causal relationship between high incarceration rates of youth and natal alienation” and when people think that “young men who grow up without a father fail to become strong and well-rounded men”. Sure, there are some cases where these statements are true, but what about all the other single parents who raised their children successfully. It may be harder to be a single parent but it can still be done. Single mother’s deserve double the credit of the mother’s who have the father’s help. They should not be looked down upon and they should not have to hear about how statistics show that their children will grow up only to go to prison or get into trouble. My mema ran away from her abusive and dangerous husband from Kentucky to California with her six kids all by herself and raised them as a single mother. None of them are in jail and they all have a better life now. That proves that raising children as a single parent can be done successfully and mother’s deserve more credit.
music4life • Nov 15, 2007 at 7:15 pm
I was shocked to see a professor say some of the things that he said. Maybe its my own pessimism when it comes to College and professors who stroke themselves more than they actually teach. I am just a working Joe in the Valley who loves every piece of Music from Billy Joel to the beach boys to even Snoop Dogg. Professor Bailey, and I wonder how old he is, said some real relevent stuff. He speaks with a bias on the side of unwed mothers (but since his mom was according to the article it makes sense. The valley is priviledged to have such a guy like this here. Is it safe to assume he is black? Even if he is this is one smart black guy who I would probably enjoy listening to. Oh…I forgot to say, Im a white guy raised by a single mother and now a single dad cause my son’s mother left to pursue a drug life so I know that it is hard being single and I sure hope that my son is not a stastic of the bad but maybe grow to be successful like Kanye West. Go ahead Kanye and you too Professor Bailey and let “Jesus Walk” with you.
music4life • Nov 16, 2007 at 2:15 am
I was shocked to see a professor say some of the things that he said. Maybe its my own pessimism when it comes to College and professors who stroke themselves more than they actually teach. I am just a working Joe in the Valley who loves every piece of Music from Billy Joel to the beach boys to even Snoop Dogg. Professor Bailey, and I wonder how old he is, said some real relevent stuff. He speaks with a bias on the side of unwed mothers (but since his mom was according to the article it makes sense. The valley is priviledged to have such a guy like this here. Is it safe to assume he is black? Even if he is this is one smart black guy who I would probably enjoy listening to. Oh…I forgot to say, Im a white guy raised by a single mother and now a single dad cause my son’s mother left to pursue a drug life so I know that it is hard being single and I sure hope that my son is not a stastic of the bad but maybe grow to be successful like Kanye West. Go ahead Kanye and you too Professor Bailey and let “Jesus Walk” with you.
Samantha • Nov 15, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Kanye West is very lucky to have the life that he does. Statistics show that children who grow up without a father are more likely to live in poverty, be unemployed, and have more health problems. Some more startling statistics are that seventy-two percent of all teenage murderers grew up without fathers in their homes, sixty percent of rapists were raised in fatherless homes, and eighty percent of the adolescents in psychiatric hospitals come from fatherless homes. I believe that growing up without a father is a huge problem for children and that Kanye West is an exception to the statistics. Somehow his mother was amazing enough to keep him out of trouble and he was able to become the person that he is today. This just speaks volumes about Donda West, or any single mother, who can raise a child who is an exception to the statistics. They have overcome something many of us cannot even imagine. I completely agree with Dr. Bailey’s statement, “She, like millions of single mothers, deserves deep appreciation and intellectual respect, as she produced one of the most innovative and free-minded artists of our generation.â€Â I don’t know much about what else he is involved in, but I know that Kanye is a very successful record producer and music artist. I would say he owes all of his success to his “mommaâ€Â, and it’s very sad that he has lost this amazing person in his life.
Samantha • Nov 16, 2007 at 1:27 am
Kanye West is very lucky to have the life that he does. Statistics show that children who grow up without a father are more likely to live in poverty, be unemployed, and have more health problems. Some more startling statistics are that seventy-two percent of all teenage murderers grew up without fathers in their homes, sixty percent of rapists were raised in fatherless homes, and eighty percent of the adolescents in psychiatric hospitals come from fatherless homes. I believe that growing up without a father is a huge problem for children and that Kanye West is an exception to the statistics. Somehow his mother was amazing enough to keep him out of trouble and he was able to become the person that he is today. This just speaks volumes about Donda West, or any single mother, who can raise a child who is an exception to the statistics. They have overcome something many of us cannot even imagine. I completely agree with Dr. Bailey’s statement, “She, like millions of single mothers, deserves deep appreciation and intellectual respect, as she produced one of the most innovative and free-minded artists of our generation.” I don’t know much about what else he is involved in, but I know that Kanye is a very successful record producer and music artist. I would say he owes all of his success to his “momma”, and it’s very sad that he has lost this amazing person in his life.
Natalie • Nov 15, 2007 at 5:07 pm
I would like to agree with Kelly in stating that this article is very well put together and raises many interesting issues. First of all, it sounds as though Kanye West is a very lucky man to have been brought up by such an incredible woman. It is wonderful that he learned from his mother’s teachings and followed her in bringing an influential and successful image and message to the world. However, I am a Psychology major and I do believe there is a consistant relevancy between children who lack a father and many other negative aspects of life. Having a stable two parent family dynamic is crucial for any child. Not to say that one is not capable of a strong upbringing without one parent. I am saying, that if a child does not have a parent that is focused on their growth, who does not communicate, or spend time with their child most often produce debilated children. I, myself has not had a father around but I am a very productive, smart, and intelligent being that suffers from the typical “need a male figure” woman. I see that clearly in my sister and I. Psychological affects of not having a father will be evident in any child, they may still live a wonderful fulfilled life. We should give a sincere appreciation for those parents who do not have a choice but to raise their children solely, such as Kanye’s mother.
Natalie • Nov 16, 2007 at 12:07 am
I would like to agree with Kelly in stating that this article is very well put together and raises many interesting issues. First of all, it sounds as though Kanye West is a very lucky man to have been brought up by such an incredible woman. It is wonderful that he learned from his mother’s teachings and followed her in bringing an influential and successful image and message to the world. However, I am a Psychology major and I do believe there is a consistant relevancy between children who lack a father and many other negative aspects of life. Having a stable two parent family dynamic is crucial for any child. Not to say that one is not capable of a strong upbringing without one parent. I am saying, that if a child does not have a parent that is focused on their growth, who does not communicate, or spend time with their child most often produce debilated children. I, myself has not had a father around but I am a very productive, smart, and intelligent being that suffers from the typical “need a male figure” woman. I see that clearly in my sister and I. Psychological affects of not having a father will be evident in any child, they may still live a wonderful fulfilled life. We should give a sincere appreciation for those parents who do not have a choice but to raise their children solely, such as Kanye’s mother.
Sara Gordon • Nov 15, 2007 at 2:42 pm
Dr. Bailey is giving credit where credit is due. There is no other group that is more disriminated against , in this country then African American women. Here is an example of a beautiful, strong, educated woman of color. Dr. West was able to have a career and raise a son that is a very talented and successful artist, who would deny this woman some praise?
Now in defense of rap, I agree that there is some rap that isn’t great, I don’t know if I would ever call it “crap” since it is art? Rap is an artistic expression, many rappers music contain graphic, sexual, and violent lyrics; for many of those rappers that is the life they were a part of. I think so many Americans are in denial of the sociological circumstances, inhabitants of inner cities face day to day. These artists (rappers) are bringing light to a very real situation.
Finally I want to say that Kayne West is brilliant and a very brave man. I was watching the Katrina Relief special, when the camera turned to Kayne and Mike Myers and Kayne said what every American was thinking. The situtation in New Orleans exposed the most powerful example of racism and classim that this country has seen since the Civil Rights movement. For Kayne to verbalize his controversial opinion was so significant, it reminded me just how powerful and extraordinary free speech is in this country. Kayne has also taken a recent stance against diamond mining, he was a part of a documentary against the probelms with the diamond industry, which goes against the style of most rappers.
elisa paredez • Nov 15, 2007 at 2:42 pm
I believe this article is a written tribute to single mothers who raise their children right through adversity, and bring them up to be mature respectable and responsible adults. Kanye owes alot to his mother, if it wasn’t for her upbringing who knows if Kanye would ever had become the talented rapper he is today? I like Kanye he doesn’t just rap about cars easy women and alcohol. He brings to light issues affecting the world like the song “Diamonds from Sierra Leone.” He brings attention to the people of Sierra Leone who are exploited by the diamond company. He is a socialy conscious rapper. Like the article states” Kanye’s music seeks to uplift.” Dr. Bailey is right in giving the credit to his mother, afterall we become what we are taught and showed to be.
Sara Gordon • Nov 15, 2007 at 9:42 pm
Dr. Bailey is giving credit where credit is due. There is no other group that is more disriminated against , in this country then African American women. Here is an example of a beautiful, strong, educated woman of color. Dr. West was able to have a career and raise a son that is a very talented and successful artist, who would deny this woman some praise?
Now in defense of rap, I agree that there is some rap that isn’t great, I don’t know if I would ever call it “crap” since it is art? Rap is an artistic expression, many rappers music contain graphic, sexual, and violent lyrics; for many of those rappers that is the life they were a part of. I think so many Americans are in denial of the sociological circumstances, inhabitants of inner cities face day to day. These artists (rappers) are bringing light to a very real situation.
Finally I want to say that Kayne West is brilliant and a very brave man. I was watching the Katrina Relief special, when the camera turned to Kayne and Mike Myers and Kayne said what every American was thinking. The situtation in New Orleans exposed the most powerful example of racism and classim that this country has seen since the Civil Rights movement. For Kayne to verbalize his controversial opinion was so significant, it reminded me just how powerful and extraordinary free speech is in this country. Kayne has also taken a recent stance against diamond mining, he was a part of a documentary against the probelms with the diamond industry, which goes against the style of most rappers.
elisa paredez • Nov 15, 2007 at 9:42 pm
I believe this article is a written tribute to single mothers who raise their children right through adversity, and bring them up to be mature respectable and responsible adults. Kanye owes alot to his mother, if it wasn’t for her upbringing who knows if Kanye would ever had become the talented rapper he is today? I like Kanye he doesn’t just rap about cars easy women and alcohol. He brings to light issues affecting the world like the song “Diamonds from Sierra Leone.” He brings attention to the people of Sierra Leone who are exploited by the diamond company. He is a socialy conscious rapper. Like the article states” Kanye’s music seeks to uplift.” Dr. Bailey is right in giving the credit to his mother, afterall we become what we are taught and showed to be.
Caroline Dower • Nov 15, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Alright, I agree, I do not believe that this article was in any way a discussion as to the harms and benefits of rap music. The focus of the article was to first give credit to our mothers, or for a more politically correct label, our caregivers/guardians. Kanye West was an example of one such individual who is doing such. Dr. Bailey was using him to illustrate an individual whose mother did all that she could for her son, and now after her passing he has the ability to continue to give back to what she sacrificed. Working and studying Social Work and Child Development it is essential to understand that although it may not be a biological mother or father, a person is needed to fill that role for a child to be well-adjusted. Not to say that there are not children who are able to make it without such individuals, but typically there is a need for a surrogate mother and/or father for there to be a successful social and emotional development. And although we all may not be able to look to the individuals who physically gave birth to us, for everyone of us there is someone that we can look to who has sacrificed, loved, and given to us as much as they could.
As for the thinking that he is a victim, who is to say that he was not. A person who grows up in an affluent area can still be a victim, especially as a minority. Again in Social Work it is called the “visibility principle”. When you are in an area where you are a distinct minority research has shown that they do become victims of the system due to the fact that they stand out. If what I have written is disagreed upon and not understood, that is fine. I really do not care, as already I know there will be many responses saying that this is not so, and that is fine. I personally have seen it, not experienced due to my Whiteness, but I have watched many go through this. Yet, in addition, it also must be understood that rappers as with all artist do have to fall under the umbrella of what will sell. There are some who are true to themselves, and thus suffer for it, and there are some who fall prey to the media and follow the directions as to what will sell. There are many who sell products that they either do not use or believe in….it is part of our capitalist system.
We are all given the right to like what music we like and what music we do not, that is a personal choice. Regardless the piece was also to give respect to someone who in raising her son has done much for our society through him. (Whether you like it or not….so has Barbara Bush, whether you like it or not.) Regardless of your personal feelings someone has passed away and there are people who are hurting because of it.
Thank you Dr. Bailey for taking the time to thank those who have gotten us to where we are, and for taking the time to give respect to a life that was lived. I wish that we would take more time to do this for all individuals.
Sorry for the length, my thoughts are long.
Caroline Dower • Nov 15, 2007 at 9:18 pm
Alright, I agree, I do not believe that this article was in any way a discussion as to the harms and benefits of rap music. The focus of the article was to first give credit to our mothers, or for a more politically correct label, our caregivers/guardians. Kanye West was an example of one such individual who is doing such. Dr. Bailey was using him to illustrate an individual whose mother did all that she could for her son, and now after her passing he has the ability to continue to give back to what she sacrificed. Working and studying Social Work and Child Development it is essential to understand that although it may not be a biological mother or father, a person is needed to fill that role for a child to be well-adjusted. Not to say that there are not children who are able to make it without such individuals, but typically there is a need for a surrogate mother and/or father for there to be a successful social and emotional development. And although we all may not be able to look to the individuals who physically gave birth to us, for everyone of us there is someone that we can look to who has sacrificed, loved, and given to us as much as they could.
As for the thinking that he is a victim, who is to say that he was not. A person who grows up in an affluent area can still be a victim, especially as a minority. Again in Social Work it is called the “visibility principle”. When you are in an area where you are a distinct minority research has shown that they do become victims of the system due to the fact that they stand out. If what I have written is disagreed upon and not understood, that is fine. I really do not care, as already I know there will be many responses saying that this is not so, and that is fine. I personally have seen it, not experienced due to my Whiteness, but I have watched many go through this. Yet, in addition, it also must be understood that rappers as with all artist do have to fall under the umbrella of what will sell. There are some who are true to themselves, and thus suffer for it, and there are some who fall prey to the media and follow the directions as to what will sell. There are many who sell products that they either do not use or believe in….it is part of our capitalist system.
We are all given the right to like what music we like and what music we do not, that is a personal choice. Regardless the piece was also to give respect to someone who in raising her son has done much for our society through him. (Whether you like it or not….so has Barbara Bush, whether you like it or not.) Regardless of your personal feelings someone has passed away and there are people who are hurting because of it.
Thank you Dr. Bailey for taking the time to thank those who have gotten us to where we are, and for taking the time to give respect to a life that was lived. I wish that we would take more time to do this for all individuals.
Sorry for the length, my thoughts are long.
Lorenzo S. • Nov 15, 2007 at 1:23 pm
I think what we are really looking at is, if a home that is not parented by both mother and father, will this somehow allow there children to slip up and instead of becoming individuals they just “go with the flow” with what societys believes to be normal? Yes it’s entertainment, but with many other things it can become a trend, a trend in which children can fall into.
Lorenzo S. • Nov 15, 2007 at 8:23 pm
I think what we are really looking at is, if a home that is not parented by both mother and father, will this somehow allow there children to slip up and instead of becoming individuals they just “go with the flow” with what societys believes to be normal? Yes it’s entertainment, but with many other things it can become a trend, a trend in which children can fall into.
Adriana Garcia • Nov 15, 2007 at 1:00 pm
Like’s try not to forget the message of the article, if it wasn’t for our parents today that push their children to become the best of our natural abilty we wouldn’t be the person we are today. For example Kanye West and his mother, she raised him in the inn-city in the African-American community. She probably didn’t want him to loose track of where he comes from and to point out the problems we have in America. Another example is Tupac and his mother, she was a black panther leader. She taugh him how to speak up and express your thoughts.
Oh, by the way if your going to speak badly against rap music and the artist, maybe you should listen to their whole album instead of one song. Yes, i’m tired of rappers calling women bitch, sluts, and whores. But after listening to Ludrics album, he does express that black men aren’t doing enough and he as skits making them look bad.
Adriana Garcia • Nov 15, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Like’s try not to forget the message of the article, if it wasn’t for our parents today that push their children to become the best of our natural abilty we wouldn’t be the person we are today. For example Kanye West and his mother, she raised him in the inn-city in the African-American community. She probably didn’t want him to loose track of where he comes from and to point out the problems we have in America. Another example is Tupac and his mother, she was a black panther leader. She taugh him how to speak up and express your thoughts.
Oh, by the way if your going to speak badly against rap music and the artist, maybe you should listen to their whole album instead of one song. Yes, i’m tired of rappers calling women bitch, sluts, and whores. But after listening to Ludrics album, he does express that black men aren’t doing enough and he as skits making them look bad.
Kelly • Nov 15, 2007 at 12:42 pm
I think this is a very well put together article. Hopefully he can continue his career now that his mom is gone; maybe do it for her. I don’t listen to rap music so I don’t know too much about it. I do agree that “young ladies, estranged from their fathers, are prey for smooth-talking men, who may have the inclination to exact a paternal chastisement on their bodies physically and sexually, while they incessantly seek for that “daddyâ€Â in their numerous male relationships.” It is not in all cases, but it can be true. Many people struggle for a sense of belonging. Also, I think that some boys without a father can “fail to be strong or well rounded”, but I think that in many cases it is not true. I think many men turn their lives around and want to be the opposite of what their father was for them. They want to change the next generation and be a good father figure for their children. I think their moms contribute to this sense of nurture and parenthood for them. Good article Dr. Bailey.
Kelly • Nov 15, 2007 at 7:42 pm
I think this is a very well put together article. Hopefully he can continue his career now that his mom is gone; maybe do it for her. I don’t listen to rap music so I don’t know too much about it. I do agree that “young ladies, estranged from their fathers, are prey for smooth-talking men, who may have the inclination to exact a paternal chastisement on their bodies physically and sexually, while they incessantly seek for that “daddy” in their numerous male relationships.” It is not in all cases, but it can be true. Many people struggle for a sense of belonging. Also, I think that some boys without a father can “fail to be strong or well rounded”, but I think that in many cases it is not true. I think many men turn their lives around and want to be the opposite of what their father was for them. They want to change the next generation and be a good father figure for their children. I think their moms contribute to this sense of nurture and parenthood for them. Good article Dr. Bailey.
Fire Welty Now! • Nov 15, 2007 at 10:31 am
I agree, rap music is really better called ‘crap music.’ The talent is just not there.
Fire Welty Now! • Nov 15, 2007 at 5:31 pm
I agree, rap music is really better called ‘crap music.’ The talent is just not there.
Whatever • Nov 15, 2007 at 10:15 am
Let us all gaze upon Morris’ revolutionary pun of “crap” music.
Go listen to Nickelback or Incubus or something then.
Dr. Bailey’s column didn’t warrant such a sophomoronic response and you should be embarrassed.
“Thinks he’s some sort of victim.”? Come on man, it’s show business. You’re really naive if you think this image stuff is more than an act.
Whatever • Nov 15, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Let us all gaze upon Morris’ revolutionary pun of “crap” music.
Go listen to Nickelback or Incubus or something then.
Dr. Bailey’s column didn’t warrant such a sophomoronic response and you should be embarrassed.
“Thinks he’s some sort of victim.”? Come on man, it’s show business. You’re really naive if you think this image stuff is more than an act.
Zack Morris • Nov 14, 2007 at 11:23 am
Professor, I like to call rap music “crap music.” Yeah, Kanye West avoids the misogyny in his music——doesn’t mean his CD’s are worth the jewel case that the discs is sold within.
He still thinks he’s some sort of victim—–the crown of thorns thing? —-dammit your mom was a professor—–you didn’t lead the disadvantaged inner-city black upbringing.
Zack Morris • Nov 14, 2007 at 6:23 pm
Professor, I like to call rap music “crap music.” Yeah, Kanye West avoids the misogyny in his music——doesn’t mean his CD’s are worth the jewel case that the discs is sold within.
He still thinks he’s some sort of victim—–the crown of thorns thing? —-dammit your mom was a professor—–you didn’t lead the disadvantaged inner-city black upbringing.